Livistona identification

[EuroPalm]

I grow since 1995 a couple of Livistona that stay unindentified for me.

They look like Livistona australis but have costapalmate leaves and big spines on the petioles like Livistona Saribus.

Could it be an hybrid of something else ?

Here are some pictures :

Phil

[EuroPalm]

Here is another pic :

[EuroPalm]

And here is last one :

[EuroPalm]

OOps !

Why are my pictures going smaller and smaller ?

I posted them with the same size !

More, how to post more than ONE picture in one post ?

Sorry for this.

Phil

[EuroPalm]

Dear administrator and moderator,

Could you please help me ?

What are these pictures with variable geometry ?

One time I see them with normal size one time I see them reduced.

What did I do wrong when I posted (or resized) them ?

Thanks for help,

Phil

[fastfeat]

Phil--

I'm not sure what's going on with your pics . They started out like my wallet on payday, but ended up looking like the same wallet after a weekend at plant sales...

The first shot, before it shrank, looked just like my 15g/60l L. australis.

[EuroPalm]

(fastfeat @ Oct. 15 2007,09:28)

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Phil--

I'm not sure what's going on with your pics . They started out like my wallet on payday, but ended up looking like the same wallet after a weekend at plant sales...

The first shot, before it shrank, looked just like my 15g/60l L. australis.

Thanks Ken for your answer.

Now I am little scared, I'll check my wallet too

Phil

[Kris]

Dear Phil  

welcome to our forum since this is my first interaction with you..and as for photo upload difficulties kindly visit this link_

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...=ST;f=16;t=4191

if your stills is of very high resolution then you could also upload your stills to

www.photobucket.com/

Love,

Kris  

[fastfeat]

Phil--

I agree with Kris. I use Photobucket to upload pics. It's free and easy to use once you use it a few times. Best to resize your pics to 1024X768 (or smaller) before uploading to Photobucket; I use MSOffice Picture Manager for this.

Good luck...

[fastfeat]

Phil--

Hope you don't mind, but I took your pics, cropped them, and reposted them thru Photobucket. Not sure exactly what you did--maybe saved a thumbnail in place of the original?

Ken.

Resized photos:

[EuroPalm]

(fastfeat @ Oct. 16 2007,07:37)

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Phil--

Hope you don't mind, but I took your pics, cropped them, and reposted them thru Photobucket. Not sure exactly what you did--maybe saved a thumbnail in place of the original?

Ken.

Resized photos:

Thanks Kris and Ken,

Of course I don't mind.

It is very kind of you to have done it.

I will try to fix my problem of pictures posting through Photobucket.

Phil

[EuroPalm]

OK,

let's try :

It works !

Phil

[Fred Zone 10A]

Now that you all have solved the photo sizing issue, I'll turn to the question at hand.  The palm looks exactly like my Livistona australis, spines and all.  Mine was planted in 2003 from a 24" box and now has about five feet of trunk.

Although I imagine it would be possible to cross L. australis and L. saribus, I'm not sure why anyone would want to.

[fastfeat]

Phil--

Looks like you're on a roll!

I agree with Fred. Looks much like my L.australis as well.

[EuroPalm]

(fastfeat @ Oct. 16 2007,09:24)

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Phil--

Looks like you're on a roll!

I agree with Fred. Looks much like my L.australis as well.

Yes, sure, but the only problem is it doesn't look like other juveniles Livistona australis I have seen in Spain : Their leaves are FLAT not costapalmate.

Maybe there are important clonal variations in young specimen of this genus ?

Some friends from Australia will confirm ?

Phil

[merrill]

Have you fellows considered L. speciosa?   L. australis in my experience has the segments more deeply cut.

[fastfeat]

Here's a pic of my Livistonia australis from the Huntington BG in CA for comparison. I'm no expert on this genus; comments??

[merrill]

Hi, Fastfeat:

Your L. australis is more typical of my observations of that spp.  Many Thanks for posting it.

[richtrav]

The leaves look most like L. nitida but those large spines sure are saribuslike.

[fastfeat]

Check out a pic of L. saribus by NatureGirl under Seeds/Plants For Sale for comparison. Don't know if this helps in the ID or not...

[EuroPalm]

(fastfeat @ Oct. 17 2007,06:26)

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Check out a pic of L. saribus by NatureGirl under Seeds/Plants For Sale for comparison. Don't know if this helps in the ID or not...

Thanks Ken for your picture. This one looks like mine.

Maybe they are all like this.

Phil

[EuroPalm]

(richtrav @ Oct. 16 2007,11:47)

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The leaves look most like L. nitida but those large spines sure are saribuslike.

Thanks Richard for your answer,

This is exactly my thinking.

So the question is : Has a pure Livistona australis such spines on the petiole ?

Or is this a sign of "saribusness"  ?  :laugh:  

Phil

[EuroPalm]

(merrill @ Oct. 16 2007,09:32)

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Have you fellows considered L. speciosa?   L. australis in my experience has the segments more deeply cut.

Yes !

Exactly like the ones I saw in Spain !

Phil