Wagons East

[Tom in Tucson]

5 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

That is one thing I really missed when I was living in WA.  I love storms, thunder, lightning, torrential downpours. 

I know all of those exotics are sun-lovers.  I have seen Yucca aloifolia growing in basically full shade but I don't think the Agave or Opuntia could handle that?  I'm guessing sun requirement goes in this order; Agave needs the most, Opuntia can take some shade, and Yucca can handle the most of those three?  

My place in WA got a lot of shade.  My whole backyard here is the same way; my property is butted up against a tall pine forest that shade out the majority of the backyard for the majority of the day.  I like shade gardens but you have to design accordingly.   I think my backyard will work well for Arundinaria- planning to run it all around the fence line.  I planted my Phyllostachys on the far north side which is full shade.  We'll see how it does. 

There are a surprising number of Agave which prefer shade. The best known is Agave nizandensis.

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[knikfar]

21 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

That is one thing I really missed when I was living in WA.  I love storms, thunder, lightning, torrential downpours. 

I know all of those exotics are sun-lovers.  I have seen Yucca aloifolia growing in basically full shade but I don't think the Agave or Opuntia could handle that?  I'm guessing sun requirement goes in this order; Agave needs the most, Opuntia can take some shade, and Yucca can handle the most of those three?  

My place in WA got a lot of shade.  My whole backyard here is the same way; my property is butted up against a tall pine forest that shade out the majority of the backyard for the majority of the day.  I like shade gardens but you have to design accordingly.   I think my backyard will work well for Arundinaria- planning to run it all around the fence line.  I planted my Phyllostachys on the far north side which is full shade.  We'll see how it does. 

I've found that evergreen tropical looking plants usually like shade. Cast iron plants, fatsia, aucuba, stinky hellebore, marvel and soft caress mahonia. Its been tough for me to find sun tolerant evergreen plants that look tropical. My yard had a LOT of shade when we bought the house at the end of 2019. We had WAY too many HUGE deciduous trees and our neighbors on three sides have the same. So we used to have a lot more shade than we do now.

[BeyondTheGarden]

Well.. whoops... couple inches of rain lastnight....  and most of my seedlings were in non-draining plastic bins.... glad I caught it, trachies probably won't care but the Braheas are probably not liking it.. 

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

3 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

Well.. whoops... couple inches of rain lastnight....  and most of my seedlings were in non-draining plastic bins.... glad I caught it, trachies probably won't care but the Braheas are probably not liking it.. 

Lucky you were around to catch that and not away from home for several days.

[BeyondTheGarden]

They were calling for a low of 20f tonight... they are saying 26 now. 

Group photo.... these probably would have all been ok but I didn't want the roots to freeze.  The butias and Chamaerops (probably not visible) were field dug and hauled up from florida... 

on that note, i purchased a bunch of Sabal minor and made acquaintances with a palm grower who recently moved his growing operation from Myrtle Beach down to Florida and now runs trucks up 95... i am planning on placing an order this spring and if anyone in the greater area is serious about getting things like Trachycarpus, Butia, Sabal minor, R hystrix, serenoa, Chamaerops, etc; let me know.  He is going to keep an eye out for some Phoenix for me as well. Unfortunately he said reclinata, which is on my zone-push bucket list, was probably out of the question.  

Also picked up a tiller and wood chipper... soil samples went to the county Ag office last week... 

 Im not sure the best method to amend the soil (across the entire planting beds)...  Till, then top dress, then till-in again?  

Edit; he also grows Mule/Butiagrus.  I don't have a price on these but he is a wholesaler so he has access to many different sizes and he prefers to sell in the 35+ gal size range I told him my primary "sweet spot" was normally 15 gal as that seems to be the best bang for buck. 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Jesse PNW

[BeyondTheGarden]

They should have stuck with their first forecast. 

[knikfar]

16 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

They were calling for a low of 20f tonight... they are saying 26 now. 

Group photo.... these probably would have all been ok but I didn't want the roots to freeze.  The butias and Chamaerops (probably not visible) were field dug and hauled up from florida... 

on that note, i purchased a bunch of Sabal minor and made acquaintances with a palm grower who recently moved his growing operation from Myrtle Beach down to Florida and now runs trucks up 95... i am planning on placing an order this spring and if anyone in the greater area is serious about getting things like Trachycarpus, Butia, Sabal minor, R hystrix, serenoa, Chamaerops, etc; let me know.  He is going to keep an eye out for some Phoenix for me as well. Unfortunately he said reclinata, which is on my zone-push bucket list, was probably out of the question.  

Also picked up a tiller and wood chipper... soil samples went to the county Ag office last week... 

 Im not sure the best method to amend the soil (across the entire planting beds)...  Till, then top dress, then till-in again?  

Edit; he also grows Mule/Butiagrus.  I don't have a price on these but he is a wholesaler so he has access to many different sizes and he prefers to sell in the 35+ gal size range I told him my primary "sweet spot" was normally 15 gal as that seems to be the best bang for buck. 

 

With the exception of the serenoa, I've been able to find all of these palm varieties here in Raleigh or within a short drive (less than two hours).  Most local nurseries have trachys and sabal minor. I've purchased my r hystrix from Carolina Seasons Nursery in Greenville. Their prices are tough to beat. I purchased both of butia and chamaerops at Home Depot. They usually get a bunch of each in the late spring. But your brahea have peaked my interest. Will you be selling any of those in the foreseable future? 

[BeyondTheGarden]

Trachys are available here but you pay through the nose.  In the PNW they were cheap.  Here theyre expensive. I don't have a price list yet but I'm going to see what he can do. 

My brahea are only seedlings.  Clara is the only species I have.