Royal palm right beside queen palm is it a bad idea?

[Brandon39.5]

Hey, I'm deciding where to plant my royal palms, I have two of them, the biggest one I want to plant it right beside my queen palm 1.5m from the queen palm is that a bad idea? And another question, would royal palm roots crack/break concrete ?

[SeanK]

Which palm is is intended as the focal point?

[Brandon39.5]

22 minutes ago, SeanK said:

Which palm is is intended as the focal point?

Definitely the royal is what I want to stand out.

[Harry’s Palms]

I have a Venezuelan Royal planted next to a much larger Queen. The idea was to use the canopy of the Queen to shade the nursery grown Royal while it got established . They have been sharing a space for close to 20 years without any problem . I live inland where we can see low temps occasionally and the Royal is doing fine considering that the palm nursery told me it would not survive the first winter! I was going to cut the Queen palm down once the Royal got large but I like the way they look together so I have left them alone. 

[Palmfarmer]

14 minutes ago, Harry’s Palms said:

I have a Venezuelan Royal planted next to a much larger Queen. The idea was to use the canopy of the Queen to shade the nursery grown Royal while it got established . They have been sharing a space for close to 20 years without any problem . I live inland where we can see low temps occasionally and the Royal is doing fine considering that the palm nursery told me it would not survive the first winter! I was going to cut the Queen palm down once the Royal got large but I like the way they look together so I have left them alone. 

Really cool I can imagine doing a triple planting with a Royal in the middle and queens on the side. That would be awesome. 

[sonoranfans]

How well do each species handle your climate?  I have seen nice looking queens but not many here in florida where they suffer micronutrient deficiencies.  A royal palm that gets enough water can be a real beast a much bigger palm than a queen.  In 10a there is no need for a queen to change the microclimate to help the royal.  I would set them apart 5-7M as a mature royals leaves will extend about 18-20' out from the trunk.  Queens need a lot of fertilizer, royals not nearly as much.

[SeanK]

1 hour ago, Brandon39.5 said:

Definitely the royal is what I want to stand out.

The question was rhetorical. Neither will stand out if they're planted together.

It would be different if you had a tall pinnate with a couple short palmate understory.

[sonoranfans]

52 minutes ago, SeanK said:

The question was rhetorical. Neither will stand out if they're planted together.

It would be different if you had a tall pinnate with a couple short palmate understory.

yup water and feed the royal in 10a and it will stand out, best to see its whole form.   Royals also look good as older palms, queens not so much so I'd plant them apart.

[Brandon39.5]

Hey guys, thanks for replying. I have a queen palm that's not big, maybe 10ft tall and I want to plant a royal palm right beside because there's no other good location really. If I could, I would plant them apart, but I don't have enough space.  But what I'm wondering if a royal and a queen would not disturb the royal. I regret planting the queen palm but it is what it is I dont want to kill it or move it. Would a royal an a queen palm be OK right beside each other or they would compete against each other and one of them would look bad?

 

[Brandon39.5]

1 hour ago, sonoranfans said:

How well do each species handle your climate?  I have seen nice looking queens but not many here in florida where they suffer micronutrient deficiencies.  A royal palm that gets enough water can be a real beast a much bigger palm than a queen.  In 10a there is no need for a queen to change the microclimate to help the royal.  I would set them apart 5-7M as a mature royals leaves will extend about 18-20' out from the trunk.  Queens need a lot of fertilizer, royals not nearly as much.

Queen palm does great in my climate and royal not as good, royals don't do well in our wet cool winters. But they can grow here.

[sonoranfans]

19 minutes ago, Brandon39.5 said:

Queen palm does great in my climate and royal not as good, royals don't do well in our wet cool winters. But they can grow here.

I had your climate fgured as a mediterranean wet winter like california but perhaps not.  The royals do much better in 10a california than queens from what Ive seen..   Maybe mallorca is just cooler on average than 10a southern california.  IN that case maybe a nearby stone firepit will keep the ground warmer and boost the metabolism of the royal.  My general rule these day is to have 4.of every 5 trees in my yard very well adapted and to tinder with the 5th which might be a non optimal species.

[SeanK]

1 hour ago, sonoranfans said:

yup water and feed the royal in 10a and it will stand out, best to see its whole form.   Royals also look good as older palms, queens not so much so I'd plant them apart.

If I could grow a Royal, that Queen would already be gone.

[RichardHemsley]

Plant them as far apart as space will allow Brandon. Loads of water and plenty of feed in our hot summers, and fingers crossed they will both thrive.

[Palmfarmer]

5 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

How well do each species handle your climate?  I have seen nice looking queens but not many here in florida where they suffer micronutrient deficiencies.  A royal palm that gets enough water can be a real beast a much bigger palm than a queen.  In 10a there is 

Yes or squeze in a king among the palms as well. Then he got all 3. Royal, King and Queen. 

[Brandon39.5]

13 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

I had your climate fgured as a mediterranean wet winter like california but perhaps not.  The royals do much better in 10a california than queens from what Ive seen..   Maybe mallorca is just cooler on average than 10a southern california.  IN that case maybe a nearby stone firepit will keep the ground warmer and boost the metabolism of the royal.  My general rule these day is to have 4.of every 5 trees in my yard very well adapted and to tinder with the 5th which might be a non optimal species.

Yes, i'ts similar to Southern California, but highs in winter are a bit lower and highs in summer here are higher. That's a good idea, I will have in the area 4 big palms, Roystonea regia, Syagrus romanzoffiana, Wodyetia bifurcata and archontophoenix myolensis, I will probably get some smaller palms like thrinax radiata and chamadorea. Maybe dypsis lutescens too.

[Brandon39.5]

10 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

Yes or squeze in a king among the palms as well. Then he got all 3. Royal, King and Queen. 

Will squeze Archontophoenix myolensis.

[Brandon39.5]

12 hours ago, RichardHemsley said:

Plant them as far apart as space will allow Brandon. Loads of water and plenty of feed in our hot summers, and fingers crossed they will both thrive.

Yes, I will try to plant them as far away of each other as possible.

[Brandon39.5]

13 hours ago, SeanK said:

If I could grow a Royal, that Queen would already be gone.

Haha, I don't want to kill it, it was my first palm. My garden soon will be a palm tree jungle.

[Brandon39.5]

Anyone has a photo of how a queen and a royal would look together?

[Phoenikakias]

I do and it had been uploaded in this forum. Search for any topic about a Royal Palm in Greece. One thing you have to pay attention to, is that Royals love plenty of water during summer and are not picky about soil pH. If on the other hand you plant a Queen palm in alkaline soil, the more water you give it, the sooner it will become yellowish.

[Brandon39.5]

6 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

I do and it had been uploaded in this forum. Search for any topic about a Royal Palm in Greece. One thing you have to pay attention to, is that Royals love plenty of water during summer and are not picky about soil pH. If on the other hand you plant a Queen palm in alkaline soil, the more water you give it, the sooner it will become yellowish.

Plenty of water, how much exactly? How much litters every 2 days? Lots of queens look yellowish here in mallorca, mine too, is there any way to make them turn green? 

[Phoenikakias]

9 hours ago, Brandon39.5 said:

Plenty of water, how much exactly? How much litters every 2 days? Lots of queens look yellowish here in mallorca, mine too, is there any way to make them turn green? 

During summer you can water the heck out of it! If soil feels moist by touch EVERY MOMENT of the day, the better. 

About the Arecastrum, you need to apply iron chelate on the soil of root zone (NOT EDTA instead EDDHA) and spread 2 to 3 handfuls of sulfur PELLETS (NOT POWDER) per m².  I bet your soil has a pH about 7.5 to 8.  Most of the problems with South American spp relate to high soil pH in the Mediterranean, ESPECIALLY IN SLOPY LANDSCAPES. What I have just written us based on my personal experience. My own Arecastrum was on the verge of decline, until I started aforementioned treatment. Now it had a much more decent look.

[Brandon39.5]

5 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

During summer you can water the heck out of it! If soil feels moist by touch EVERY MOMENT of the day, the better. 

About the Arecastrum, you need to apply iron chelate on the soil of root zone (NOT EDTA instead EDDHA) and spread 2 to 3 handfuls of sulfur PELLETS (NOT POWDER) per m².  I bet your soil has a pH about 7.5 to 8.  Most of the problems with South American spp relate to high soil pH in the Mediterranean, ESPECIALLY IN SLOPY LANDSCAPES. What I have just written us based on my personal experience. My own Arecastrum was on the verge of decline, until I started aforementioned treatment. Now it had a much more decent look.

I see what you are talking about, looks like the queen palm is a high maintenance palm here. I will look up this treatment and if my queen palm keeps yellowing I will do it. I heard that what's make them be yellow is a lack of iron in the soil, maybe I should fertilize it with a fertilizer with more iron than normal? What's the best fertilizer for a queen palm?

[Phoenikakias]

NO, it is not lack of iron in the soil but unavailability of existing iron for the plant due to high pH. All you need on short term is supply of iron in a form that can be available to the plant and on long term lowering of pH (acidifying of soil).

[Palmfarmer]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:30 AM, Brandon39.5 said:

Will squeze Archontophoenix myolensis.

Great, I will be making a 3 palm clump with Royal, Queen and Archontophoenix alexandrae

[Brandon39.5]

19 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

Great, I will be making a 3 palm clump with Royal, Queen and Archontophoenix alexandrae

Interesting, that would look great for sure. Today I bought the royal, I will upload some photos tomorrow. It looks like it has some sun burn and the fronds are quite droopy looking. 

[Phoenikakias]

Better plant next to the Royal a Syagrus coronata.

[Brandon39.5]

15 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Better plant next to the Royal a Syagrus coronata.

Looking nice, your royal is the same size as the one I bought. I prefer the look of S. romanzoffiana. The clump will be Syagrus romanzoffiana in the back, royal in the front and wodyetias in the sides.  I have a question, would a royal thrive in filtered sun throughout the day and direct sun in the afternoon?

[Phoenikakias]

7 hours ago, Brandon39.5 said:

Looking nice, your royal is the same size as the one I bought. I prefer the look of S. romanzoffiana. The clump will be Syagrus romanzoffiana in the back, royal in the front and wodyetias in the sides.  I have a question, would a royal thrive in filtered sun throughout the day and direct sun in the afternoon?

Royal and Arecastrum side by side, sorry that I had to take pictures in the night. The Royal has been butchered by the municipal gardeners, but this is another story and deserves a separate topic.

[Brandon39.5]

That looks nice! Is that the royal from Athens? Why would they do that to the royal???