Butia's

[BigBilly]

Does anyone have any nice pictures of Butia's, I swear I've only seen kinda ugly looking short ones, Does Anyone have taller / full-crowned ones?  

[Xerarch]

Habitat shot from Uruguay, Google Street View

[BeyondTheGarden]

3 hours ago, BigBilly said:

Does anyone have any nice pictures of Butia's, I swear I've only seen kinda ugly looking short ones, Does Anyone have taller / full-crowned ones?  

Maybe @Chester B has a recent pic of the one in front of his house?  It's one of the best Butias that I've ever seen.   It is a wooly mammoth of a palm. 

[Chester B]

22 hours ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

Maybe @Chester B has a recent pic of the one in front of his house?  It's one of the best Butias that I've ever seen.   It is a wooly mammoth of a palm. 

It has about 6 or so feet of trunk, but its hard to see.  Overall height and width is around 14 foot.  Picture taken this August but it has grown more since then,

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Chester B

[SeanK]

I've seen plenty nice ones in the SE US from SC to LA, though not much in FL below the panhandle. They don't like sandy soils as they're prone to micronutrient deficiencies.

[RFun]

On 12/10/2023 at 10:36 AM, BigBilly said:

Does anyone have any nice pictures of Butia's, I swear I've only seen kinda ugly looking short ones, Does Anyone have taller / full-crowned ones?  

Yeah, you're right.  There are a bunch of those shorter ones in Georgia, for sure.  The impressive sized ones aren't commonly seen in the U.S.  There are a bunch found in the sandy soils of the coastal plains of Georgia.  They enjoy the well drained soils and are drought tolerant, but I've also seen them in the Atlanta Metro Area in Piedmont clay soil.

Edited December 11, 2023 by RFun

[BigBilly]

1 hour ago, RFun said:

Yeah, you're right.  There are a bunch of those shorter ones in Georgia, for sure.  The impressive sized ones aren't commonly seen in the U.S.  There are a bunch found in the sandy soils of the coastal plains of Georgia.  They enjoy the well drained soils and are drought tolerant, but I've also seen them in the Atlanta Metro Area in Piedmont clay soil.

i swear a lot of them that i see are super short or have crowns that taken cold damage, Although @Will Simpsonhas a really nice butia

[BeyondTheGarden]

@Chester B do you know where to find the document that stated that many Butia in the SE US have catarinensis DNA?  I can't find it on google. 

[RFun]

2 hours ago, BigBilly said:

i swear a lot of them that i see are super short or have crowns that taken cold damage, Although @Will Simpsonhas a really nice butia

Yeah, probably so.  I haven't seen any that looked as impressive as that pic of them from Uruguay.  Some older and bigger ones hanging around North Florida and Central Florida and even some pretty good sized ones in South Georgia.  A good choice for a hardy palm in the northern extreme part of their range as they don't get overly big very quickly in these areas (assuming you have to occasionally add protection).

Edited December 11, 2023 by RFun

[BigBilly]

5 hours ago, Chester B said:

It has about 6 or so feet of trunk, but its hard to see.  Overall height and width is around 14 foot.  Picture taken this August but it has grown more since then,

 

That's real nice looking , nice full crown too 

[Chester B]

3 hours ago, BigBilly said:

That's real nice looking , nice full crown too 

I usually cut off the fronds when they are laying on the ground.  They never brown off.

[Chester B]

3 hours ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

@Chester B do you know where to find the document that stated that many Butia in the SE US have catarinensis DNA?  I can't find it on google. 

I don't know of a document that says that.  TCHP and I talked about it and I know he believed that.

[VA Jeff]

I posted this butia witeckii (presumably) in a different thread.  It was a mile from where I used to live.  Roughly ten feet overall, if I recall.  I snagged a baby off of it, but it hasn't grown in a year and a half.  It had not roots when I got it, so hopefully after much fertilizer, it will grow next year.  The picture doesn't really do the color or the gracefulness justice.

[JohnT]

down the street from my house. Southeast North Carolina. 

[RFun]

2 hours ago, JohnT said:

down the street from my house. Southeast North Carolina. 

That's a good sized one, no doubt.

[ChicagoPalma]

Ill have a butia probably next year in my backyard if the nursery does not have windmills this year since we asked them if they could order the palms. Depends on if they have been asked for a lot. Hopefully they do, they sell queens and butias up to 16ft for only $200 there! 

Edited December 12, 2023 by ChicagoPalma

[WSimpson]

I guess I'm officially 8A now , but this one looks pretty good for here . This picture is after 4 mild winters in a row .

 

 

Below is  after that 6F on Christmas Eve last winter and a full  season to grow out some  . If I get a mild winter this year  it should get back to that form in the first picture  :

 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Will Simpson

[RFun]

1 hour ago, Will Simpson said:

I guess I'm officially 8A now , but this one looks pretty good for here . This picture is after 4 mild winters in a row .

 

 

Below is  after that 6F on Christmas Eve last winter and a full  season to grow out some  . If I get a mild winter this year  it should get back to that form in the first picture  :

 

 

Good size on that one.  They can take some cold, no doubt.  More than most would suspect.

[NWpalms@206]

I thought Patrick had some pretty nice Butia, the mothers to many of our hybrids. 

[RFun]

10 minutes ago, NWpalms@206 said:

I thought Patrick had some pretty nice Butia, the mothers to many of our hybrids. 

They are very nice palms.  Definitely an underrated cold hardy palm.

[Jeff zone 8 N.C.]

Just take a trip to the Wilmington, N.C. area to find bigger ones or up to Morehead City and Bogue Banks, N.C. along the water mostly and you can find nice ones. If you do not have much time explore the back streets on the island of Carolina Beach, N.C. and along highway 421 from Wilmington to Carolina Beach.

[RFun]

17 hours ago, Jeff zone 8 N.C. said:

Just take a trip to the Wilmington, N.C. area to find bigger ones or up to Morehead City and Bogue Banks, N.C. along the water mostly and you can find nice ones. If you do not have much time explore the back streets on the island of Carolina Beach, N.C. and along highway 421 from Wilmington to Carolina Beach.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Fusca]

On 12/11/2023 at 8:14 PM, Chester B said:

I don't know of a document that says that.  TCHP and I talked about it and I know he believed that.

 

On 12/11/2023 at 4:30 PM, BeyondTheGarden said:

@Chester B do you know where to find the document that stated that many Butia in the SE US have catarinensis DNA?  I can't find it on google. 

I had similar conversations with Joseph at TCHP.  I seem to remember reading comments on threads here regarding caterinensis being more common in Florida but only opinions and not necessarily facts.  For what it's worth I collected a few fruits from a Butia near my hotel on a visit to Orlando last month and the small, football shaped seeds indicated caterinensis.  Enjoyed more fruit with less seed than the typical odorata found here in Texas. 

@BigBilly here's another habitat photo showing variation in flower color within the same species - my favorite Butia photo!  I believe the photographer was @Darold Petty 

 

[Darold Petty]

Not me !  I have only posted images of B. yatay,   from the national park in Argentina.  

[BeyondTheGarden]

@Darold Petty Do you remember how tall those were?  And what the diameter the trunks might have been?  Palms always look smaller in pictures and I'm sure the height of those is deceiving on my computer screen. 

[Paradise Found]

The owner of these Butia’s has passed away but his wife takes care of them. Picture I posted several years old. The garden zone is 8b 9a.  Close to the Ballard locks has a bigger palm then these.   
 

[Darold Petty]

1 hour ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

@Darold Petty Do you remember how tall those were?  And what the diameter the trunks might have been?  Palms always look smaller in pictures and I'm sure the height of those is deceiving on my computer screen. 

about 40 feet tall  by 12 inches diameter

[Fusca]

On 12/15/2023 at 4:20 PM, Darold Petty said:

Not me !  I have only posted images of B. yatay,   from the national park in Argentina.  

LOL!  I think I may have mistakenly credited you with this photo before!  I finally found the thread it was posted in and it was posted by @caranday but your photos were memorable too!