Texas Palms

[DreaminAboutPalms]

As far as height, these are tallest robustas I’ve seen in SA. Hopefully someone in here can prove me wrong 

[PA-TX2024]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:20 AM, DreaminAboutPalms said:

I think @Ben G. Identified a bigger mass planting yesterday in his post, however those are tall robustas nonetheless. 

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Those are hybrids. Though I wish they do more mass plantings since none of the winters we've had past 2021 were in Robusta death range. The lowest it's gotten since 2021 was 16F there in December 2022. All of the new Robustas installed or planted from seed were fine though fried after that.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:41 AM, PA-TX2024 said:

Those are hybrids. Though I wish they do more mass plantings since none of the winters we've had past 2021 were in Robusta death range. The lowest it's gotten since 2021 was 16F there in December 2022. All of the new Robustas installed or planted from seed were fine though fried after that.

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Here’s some more from around town. First pic isn’t great a few are hidden 

[MarcusH]

  On 3/11/2025 at 10:04 PM, PA-TX2024 said:

Is this one of the best palmy neighborhoods in SA? There's a big lining of Filifera, Filibusta, and actual tall Robusta. I never thought there would be this many still standing. From what I've ever seen. This may have the most Robusta standing in a single area outside of the River Walk from what I know so far.

 

 

 

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Not the only neighborhood but it looks very impressive. Check out Monte Vista , Woodlawn Ave.  Last time I went there I've noticed new plantings of Sabal Mexicana between old Washingtonia Filiferas. My guess is,  they're eventually going to be removed in the near future due to age. We shall see.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/12/2025 at 1:15 AM, MarcusH said:

Not the only neighborhood but it looks very impressive. Check out Monte Vista , Woodlawn Ave.  Last time I went there I've noticed new plantings of Sabal Mexicana between old Washingtonia Filiferas. My guess is,  they're eventually going to be removed in the near future due to age. We shall see.

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Woodlawn avenue is like something out of California. If you start right on the eastern side next to the intersection with mccullough and head west a few miles it seems like they are in constant sight. 

[Robert Cade Ross]

The fun road to recovery begins here in Brazoria county after 15-17° in January biggest windmill I’ve ever seen in Old & cold Alvin queen’s coming back again… Friendswood ribbon fried to a crisp in Pearland oddly another the same size in Manvel looks great . queens that have a questionable past on protection or if the owner replaced them lol . Cidp flowering after being wacked 🤣dacty in Manvel nice ribbon in Manvel too .ancient planting of dactylifera slowly declining palm by palm due to hurricanes and freezes nice blue armata in clear lake shores Everglades looking flawless Phoenix Rupicola this is honestly  a interesting spot 500’ from Galveston bay and still appears to be alive one of 3 I found 

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[Robert Cade Ross]

Pearland washys A huge planting of dactys in Webster -Kemah area these where ironically planted days before the 2022 freeze and have recovered nicely! 

[PA-TX2024]

  On 3/12/2025 at 4:46 AM, Robert Cade Ross said:

Pearland washys A huge planting of dactys in Webster -Kemah area these where ironically planted days before the 2022 freeze and have recovered nicely! 

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I would really love some mass plantings of Dactylifera in SA. I have yet to see ANY new ones here. They'd do just fine here.

[Robert Cade Ross]

  On 3/12/2025 at 5:01 AM, PA-TX2024 said:

I would really love some mass plantings of Dactylifera in SA. I have yet to see ANY new ones here. They'd do just fine here.

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There’s plenty of new one in the Bellaire (meyerland ) plaza area that where planted last fall they look great too . 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/12/2025 at 5:01 AM, PA-TX2024 said:

I would really love some mass plantings of Dactylifera in SA. I have yet to see ANY new ones here. They'd do just fine here.

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Heck we had mass plantings of dates in Austin prior to 2021. Should be bulletproof down there apart from 2021 type events and will fair even better than CIDP's during the years that get down into the upper teens

[Robert Cade Ross]

Good size plumeria in east Pearland . The growth is still very “stiff” so likely a hardy noid variety 

[MarcusH]

I posted this CIDP that's growing in my neighborhood a few times.  Fronds didn't burn this winter Hallelujah.  Not the most amazing looking CIDP of course but after getting hit by our extreme weather from both sides it looks good. Have to give the palm some credit. 

[Ben G.]

  On 3/15/2025 at 10:56 AM, MarcusH said:

I posted this CIDP that's growing in my neighborhood a few times.  Fronds didn't burn this winter Hallelujah.  Not the most amazing looking CIDP of course but after getting hit by our extreme weather from both sides it looks good. Have to give the palm some credit. 

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That is a tough CIDP to not be showing damage after the winter. Most of the ones I have seen took quite a bit of frond damage. Fairly disappointing since we had a 9a winter. 

I did see a couple of CIDPs just behind the Forum shopping center last night that looked undamaged though. 

[MarcusH]

  On 3/15/2025 at 5:57 PM, Ben G. said:

That is a tough CIDP to not be showing damage after the winter. Most of the ones I have seen took quite a bit of frond damage. Fairly disappointing since we had a 9a winter. 

I did see a couple of CIDPs just behind the Forum shopping center last night that looked undamaged though. 

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As you know I come around San Antonio quite a lot as a local driver I have to say the vast majority of CIDPS look unphased. Only a fraction of them look burned.  I guess your area is outside of the SA's urban heat island. 

[MarcusH]

I'm not sure if I want to open another thread but since Piedras Negras, Mexico is right next to Eagle Pass Texas I thought I'm going to post a few pictures from my short visit. I come here quite a lot since some of my family lives here.  Phoenix Dactylifera,  CIDP, Washingtonia Robusta and Syagrus Romanzoffiana do pretty well here.  Lots of new Queen planting. 

[Fusca]

On a a stroll today along Lake Houston.  I thought that this volunteer Sabal minor growing in the bark of this oak tree was interesting!

[Ben G.]

I found myself at SeaWorld this windy afternoon, so I took the opportunity to take a few pictures of their palms after couple of pretty hard freezes this winter.

Most of their CIDP looked like they weren't really damaged but a few looked kind of rough (see below) The one dactylifera I passed today looked fine, but all of the palms in that part of the park had been recently over trimmed. Butia, sabals, chamaerops, and washingtonias looked fine.

 

[Ben G.]

  On 3/15/2025 at 7:24 PM, MarcusH said:

I'm not sure if I want to open another thread but since Piedras Negras, Mexico is right next to Eagle Pass Texas I thought I'm going to post a few pictures from my short visit. I come here quite a lot since some of my family lives here.  Phoenix Dactylifera,  CIDP, Washingtonia Robusta and Syagrus Romanzoffiana do pretty well here.  Lots of new Queen planting. 

 

I really like these dactyliferas. They are the right palm selection for a baking hot, dry road median.

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[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/16/2025 at 12:00 AM, Fusca said:

On a a stroll today along Lake Houston.  I thought that this volunteer Sabal minor growing in the bark of this oak tree was interesting!

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Reminds me of a few I’ve seen up in Dallas, although none as crazy as your example. The one in the street has been there almost 10 years and keeps getting weed whipped away but then will come back 

[fr8train]

Here are a few more pictures from the last week or so. The first is what I think is Nannorrhops? 

The last few are from today. It's unbelievable dusty and windy.

[jwitt]

Did I hear dusty "and" windy?

[Robert Cade Ross]

Had to run somewhere tropical to escape the hell scape of dead palms in Texas lol @Miami 

[Fusca]

  On 3/20/2025 at 12:09 AM, fr8train said:

The first is what I think is Nannorrhops?

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I think it might be Nannorrhops but hard to tell without a close-up shot of the trunk.  I assume no petiole thorns?  

[fr8train]

  On 3/21/2025 at 6:46 PM, Fusca said:

I think it might be Nannorrhops but hard to tell without a close-up shot of the trunk.  I assume no petiole thorns?  

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If go back I'll look and take a better photo. I'm not really sure.

[Chester B]

  On 3/21/2025 at 6:46 PM, Fusca said:

I think it might be Nannorrhops but hard to tell without a close-up shot of the trunk.  I assume no petiole thorns?  

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When I saw the photo I immediately thought Nannarhops but once I zoomed I see a Chamaerops.  The fronds don’t have as narrow a V shape to me. Some Chamaerops have thin frond segments like with a lot of white material on them.

[Chester B]

From the Mercer Botanic gardens yesterday.  It’s hard to really understand the size of these palms unless you see them in person. Especially the uresana. 

[Fusca]

  On 3/23/2025 at 3:32 PM, Chester B said:

When I saw the photo I immediately thought Nannarhops but once I zoomed I see a Chamaerops.  The fronds don’t have as narrow a V shape to me. Some Chamaerops have thin frond segments like with a lot of white material on them.

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That was my thought as well, I could see either Nannorrhops or Chamaerops but the petiole thorns or lack thereof would be the deciding factor for me.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

The 1 remaining Washingtonia hybrid at the downtown Dallas hooters is beginning to push green again after being defoliated by 13F about a month ago. Meanwhile a Filifera a few blocks away looks unscathed. I’m sure it will look acceptable again by Memorial Day  

[DreaminAboutPalms]

The two massive Washingtonia hybrids at Rosa's Cafe Hulen Mall Fort Worth are also still alive, although a bit fried, based on the recent street view update in March 2025. Unfortunately the street view right in front of the building isn't updated, so the second pic is what they looked Like in late 2022. 

Trunks do get wrapped in winter which probably helps. 

[palmnut-fry]

@DreaminAboutPalmsI checked on the Garland cafe one last week, still not pushing green and def no care (fcks?) given...

But, BiG NeWs! I literally have discovered several more of those Sabals i planted from dumped seeds in '07. All were well hidden in the bramble of the Whiterock woods but all were far from where i dumped seeds, weird..It will be interesting to see if they develop trunks soon since these were bermudana. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/27/2025 at 7:22 PM, palmnut-fry said:

@DreaminAboutPalmsI checked on the Garland cafe one last week, still not pushing green and def no care (fcks?) given...

But, BiG NeWs! I literally have discovered several more of those Sabals i planted from dumped seeds in '07. All were well hidden in the bramble of the Whiterock woods but all were far from where i dumped seeds, weird..It will be interesting to see if they develop trunks soon since these were bermudana. 

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That Garland cafe one is always slow to come back. I think it needs some fertilizer or something. Last year we had our yearly low temps in mid January, and 5 months later in June it still hadn't started pushing green yet. Recent street view update shows it didn't completely defoliate though this year and still has a bit of green left. Also looks like 3 volunteers have popped up on other side of the cafe recently. Hopefully they don't get removed.

And great to hear about the sabals. I actually live near a stretch of white rock creek and have previously dropped 100's of sabal seeds. Going to go back this weekend to check if any germinated last year and also to drop some more. There's a little mini creek that attaches to the main white rock creek that I've planted them off of, and right off this mini creek there's also a huge mansion that sits up top a 40 foot tall southern-facing concrete retaining wall. It's a perfect location really, the concrete retaining wall blocks all north winds and creates a slight heat island effect, and the creek is just a few feet away from the wall, meaning everything planted here is never at risk of drying out too much. I'll try to take a picture when I go 

[jwitt]

@DreaminAboutPalms

Amazing this survived!! WOW!

[palmnut-fry]

@DreaminAboutPalms I confess to having thought that there could be other palm seed planters and maybe these are not mine!

I will take credit for the one poking out from the Mockingbird bridge just West of Buckner as it is directly below where i dumped some seed in '07. I was always surprised it and it alone survived in that little "isle"! Oh, and on down the bike trail split by Abrams there is a nice clump by the creek so it could be these others i discovered last week in the woods on down bayou are from those (prob S. mexicanas).  They easily survived the cold last few winters and a recent dredging on a man made pond by some aptmnts.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

  On 3/28/2025 at 4:18 AM, jwitt said:

@DreaminAboutPalms

Amazing this survived!! WOW!

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Reminds me of what I saw in Austin post 2021, where many didn't even start pushing green until summer. In some cases, I saw some that didn't even push green until August. 

Below is a filifera that barely survived and took nearly 3 years to regrow a normal sized crown. 

The other one is a hybrid at a restaurant that only pushed out one deformed frond between February 2021 and April 2022, but now looks normal again.