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Phoenix Sylvestris Advice and Progress

JRVL

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So this is interesting. It doesn't really look to me like it was caused by any sort of fungus. The hydrogen peroxide barely fixed at all the first time and didn't at all the subsequent times I added it. This was the front yesterday, I guess it just got damaged somehow. The white portion pulled off with no effort. 

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Okay looking for some advice once again. If you see my last posts from September I had a frond that was growing out white, and a piece came off. Now with winter upon us I'm wondering if that could be the cause of my newest spear that has started opening and has since turned whiteish. I have been protecting the palm in the coldest weather we get and in just about three days this spear has gone from green to white. The only difference is that is one is actually opened a bit compared to last time. 

 

This is now the second time this has happened so I'm not sure if it weather related, an iron deficiency, or what. 

 

I'm considering pouring hydrogen peroxide into it just in case but I'm worried the remaining moisture will cause problems with the cold outside. 

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dalmatiansoap Grand Master

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Somehow I always lose seedlings before first devided leave. Tried several times with no luck. Anyone have seeding specimen in Mediterranean climate?

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9 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Somehow I always lose seedlings before first devided leave. Tried several times with no luck. Anyone have seeding specimen in Mediterranean climate?

They are of tropical origin, with whatever conclusions this feature may allow! Imho free draining, acidic soil with organics in it. I grew mine from rps seed in granulate zeolite and it took it about a couple of years afterwards to establish itself in my alkaline and slopy clayish soil. Meanwhile I spread every couple of years a handful of sulfur pellets around it and drench soil once yearly with humic acids.  Also during last summer I avoided any chemical fertilizer and used only compost, which it liked enormously (prevention of salt accumulation?).

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2 hours ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Somehow I always lose seedlings before first devided leave. Tried several times with no luck. Anyone have seeding specimen in Mediterranean climate?

I’m doing the opposite, growing dates in a humider tropical climate, and they’re doing pretty well and getting divided leaves. Any idea why your sylvesters died? 

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2 hours ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Somehow I always lose seedlings before first devided leave. Tried several times with no luck. Anyone have seeding specimen in Mediterranean climate?

is strange we are close we have almost the same climate, here they grow quickly and very well

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1 hour ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

I’m doing the opposite, growing dates in a humider tropical climate, and they’re doing pretty well and getting divided leaves. Any idea why your sylvesters died? 

Leaf mold. Fungus I guess. 

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1 hour ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Leaf mold. Fungus I guess. 

that’s strange

 if anything I would think your climate would make fungus uncommon

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2 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

that’s strange

 if anything I would think your climate would make fungus uncommon

I had once graphiola on the leaves of a Canary but it was planted adjacent to the eave of the BBQ construction, so much rain water was running off directly in to its canopy.  But that was an exceptional spot for the plant, as the BBQ had been constructed after the planting of the palm. I suppose too that a tropical sylvestris is a lot hardier to graphiola, and this is precise the reason fot it being so popular in Florida. 

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I've sown P. sylvestris seeds from RPS before and they grew pretty fast for a Phoenix and they also looked good. They only died becuase of my negligence. I think they dried out when I was on summer holiday. I don't think it has to do with your climate.

And also I would stop with the Hydrogen. I would use a copper fungicide or just any normal plant fungicide you can buy. Espescially now in winter. At least until you find out what is the cause. It shouldn't hurt much and it doesn't just dissolve into water.

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On 1/11/2025 at 4:00 PM, dalmatiansoap said:

Leaf mold. Fungus I guess. 

Hey Ante perfectly healthy so far with the treatment I had described. Today picture.  It is about time and size that it will start suckering, if it is not pure or just not a sylvestris at all. Wait and see...

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On 1/12/2025 at 8:36 AM, Phoenikakias said:

Hey Ante perfectly healthy so far with the treatment I had described. Today picture.  It is about time and size that it will start suckering, if it is not pure or just not a sylvestris at all. Wait and see...

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That looks more like a sylvestris/canariensis hybrid than a pure sylvestris to me.

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@JRVL how about an update! 
 

What’s your kitty’s name? Looks a lot like one of mine.

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@Phoenikakias here's a picture of a group of sylvestris from Palm pedia.

The key things are the color and the relatively flat leaves. If your plant grows, it's still going to be awesome!

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2 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

@Phoenikakias here's a picture of a group of sylvestris from Palm pedia.

The key things are the color and the relatively flat leaves. If your plant grows, it's still going to be awesome!

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It grows in plenty of shade (notice the Phoenix trunks behind and the Arecastrum trunk in front). Seed looked rather like a date seed than of canariensis (smaller with rounded edges). I pretty much fear a dactylifera gene contamination than of CIDP. Besides it had been way more touchy to alkaline soil than a canariensis or dactylifera. Oh well, everything is expected to be cleared out in the immediate future.

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On 1/14/2025 at 8:05 AM, DoomsDave said:

@Phoenikakias here's a picture of a group of sylvestris from Palm pedia.

The key things are the color and the relatively flat leaves. If your plant grows, it's still going to be awesome!

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According to Sasha Barrow's monography there are some distinctive features of Phoenix sylvestris compared to P dactylifera, canariensis and loureroi. Summarizing pseudopetiole (part of the leaf rachis bearing acanthophylls-spines) in former makes out about one tenth of the entire frond while in latter spp about one fifth. Also interior of male prophyll in former is bright orange, in the beginning of the development of the inflorescence. Furthermore number of directions of spreading leaflets is not a very safe feature apart from the distinction between one or more planes. In brief sylvestris has proportionally a quite short leaf stalk (armed part of the rachis included to latter).

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On 1/14/2025 at 1:05 AM, DoomsDave said:

@Phoenikakias here's a picture of a group of sylvestris from Palm pedia.

The key things are the color and the relatively flat leaves. If your plant grows, it's still going to be awesome!

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uhhh to me these look like pure dacty, sylvestris leaves are lighter green and have more plumosity as well as some curve rather than being stiff.

 

also @Phoenikakias how will your plant sucker if it’s a sylvester/canary hybrid? 

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2 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

uhhh to me these look like pure dacty, sylvestris leaves are lighter green and have more plumosity as well as some curve rather than being stiff.

 

also @Phoenikakias how will your plant sucker if it’s a sylvester/canary hybrid? 

Very good question! I do not fear an admixture with canariensis but rather with dactylifera as seed had been quite long. And when a hybrid has a solitary and a caespitose parent, latter habit is prevalent in the resulted hybrid (at least during a period of its life). So far this is my experience with various Phoenix hybrids.

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On 1/13/2025 at 8:59 PM, DoomsDave said:

@JRVL how about an update! 
 

What’s your kitty’s name? Looks a lot like one of mine.

My PFP is just a random cat I found online, but my real cat is named Audrey!

 

And as for the tree, I've had it covered up now for a while but when I put the cover on the newest spear that was being pushed looked okay. We keep getting hit by record low winter storms so I'll probably throw some peroxide on it and keep it covered until the end of next week. 

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12 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

uhhh to me these look like pure dacty, sylvestris leaves are lighter green and have more plumosity as well as some curve rather than being stiff.

 

also @Phoenikakias how will your plant sucker if it’s a sylvester/canary hybrid? 

Edible dates are quite plumosa in the leaves; I’ve seen many and almost fell into one.

 

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42 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

almost fell into one.

that must’ve been scary 😟 could’ve poked your eyes out 

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12 hours ago, JRVL said:

My PFP is just a random cat I found online, but my real cat is named Audrey!

 

And as for the tree, I've had it covered up now for a while but when I put the cover on the newest spear that was being pushed looked okay. We keep getting hit by record low winter storms so I'll probably throw some peroxide on it and keep it covered until the end of next week. 

He looks a lot like Conan, patrolling his palm garden.

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Anyone have thoughts on when to start using fertilizer again? Unless another freak winter storm happens this is typically when it starts to warm up over night where I am. I planted the sylvestris last March. Thinking of starting again sometime in February, just not sure if that's too soon

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