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Sabal transplant spear pull!

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This probably wasn’t the most ideal situation. When me and @BeyondTheGarden went to dig some sabals up and it was at the end of summer, and it had to survive the cold throughout winter. The spear remained solid until now, and I kept it dry, but I guess it wasn’t enough, and the spear eventually pulled.

This brings me to ask: would trunk cutting work, or is it toast? There's liquid in the area where the spear pulled, which makes me wonder if I accidentally caused it when watering the trunk and water got in.

anyway to save it or just wait it out?

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Generally a Sabal needs to be small under 1-2 foot tall overall or have over 6' of trunk to survive field digging.  Yes for sure try trunk cutting it.  

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21 minutes ago, Allen said:

Generally a Sabal needs to be small under 1-2 foot tall overall or have over 6' of trunk to survive field digging.  Yes for sure try trunk cutting it.  

Thanks!!!!

ZPalms Grand Master

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33 minutes ago, Allen said:

Generally a Sabal needs to be small under 1-2 foot tall overall or have over 6' of trunk to survive field digging.  Yes for sure try trunk cutting it.  

Do you cut at the exact area that the spear pulled or tiny bit under?

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31 minutes ago, ZPalms said:

Do you cut at the exact area that the spear pulled or tiny bit under?

Cut a inch or so under where you think the mush stops.  You should have a 'solid' white type tissue center.  If not cut lower.  Stop whenever you reach a non rotten center.  This method gets rid of the hole that allows more rot to develop.  Once you find a firm center treat with hydrogen perozide.  Then see if it pushes up in a week.  I think this palm is pretty far gone but you never know.  I would also spray it with copper fungicide a day or so after the perozide to give a little more lasting fungicide treatment. 

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ZPalms Grand Master

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I did it… hope I did it correct

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ZPalms Grand Master

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Just put some peroxide on it

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35 minutes ago, ZPalms said:

Just put some peroxide on it

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Perfect.  At least not rotten to bottom.  I like to think of the trunk and roots as a "battery".  If it has enough stored energy to push out a frond it will live otherwise RIP.  

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15 minutes ago, Allen said:

Perfect.  At least not rotten to bottom.  I like to think of the trunk and roots as a "battery".  If it has enough stored energy to push out a frond it will live otherwise RIP.  

I’m hoping for the best, feel like it has a 2% chance of living but if not then hopefully I can eventually buy a regenerated sabal to replace it!

hoping it has enough energy left and fight that it wants to live! Appreciate the help! 🌴

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Hey if that guy that saved that palm that washed up from a hurricane who posted progress pictures of it on here was able to save that one maybe there's hope!

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1 hour ago, FlaPalmLover said:

Hey if that guy that saved that palm that washed up from a hurricane who posted progress pictures of it on here was able to save that one maybe there's hope!

Hoping to get just as lucky!

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Ughhh ants trying to move in, Theirs more than the photo shows 😐

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These ants are getting annoying, thinking they can move into the fresh cut. I hope cinnamon will get them to GO. I'm also going to spray copper fungicide.

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Am I suppose to keep the cut dry? If so I covered it for the rain unless it doesnt matter?

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i recommend to keep the cut dry to have a higher success rate.

remove the ants with formicide.Only around the trunk, not inside or on top.

A black bucket or something that fits the trunk on top is a good advice. Some holes for better climate (prevents sweating)

If you notice sprout in the center, remove the bucket and keep the trunk dry till you notice greening.

 

 

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2 hours ago, SeGi said:

i recommend to keep the cut dry to have a higher success rate.

remove the ants with formicide.Only around the trunk, not inside or on top.

A black bucket or something that fits the trunk on top is a good advice. Some holes for better climate (prevents sweating)

If you notice sprout in the center, remove the bucket and keep the trunk dry till you notice greening.

 

 

Thanks! Got some orthene from Lowe’s so hopefully that will stop the ants! As of right now I’ve created a tomato cage tent to cover the cut and keeps the plastic off the trunk! Hoping it works out

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Finally, I think the ants are gone! But am I supposed to be covering the cut from the sun too? It’s looking a little brown on the edges unless it’s trying to separate to grow? I took the cover off so it can get air, and there's some liquid pooling on top.

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you don't need to cover it, if the weather is dry and warm, usually at daytime.

The cover should help to keep it warm and dry, till the trunk starts to grow. But you must also pay attention of the condensation.

If have no idea about your climate in general. Maybe you can keep the trunk uncovered all the time.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, SeGi said:

you don't need to cover it, if the weather is dry and warm, usually at daytime.

The cover should help to keep it warm and dry, till the trunk starts to grow. But you must also pay attention of the condensation.

If have no idea about your climate in general. Maybe you can keep the trunk uncovered all the time.  

 

 

Oops it got a little chilly last night and I left it uncovered… but their was no frost. I’ll go out and put the cover back on! Thanks!

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Anyone have an idea on when it shoild start moving?  Bananas will grow an inch or so per day if you do that, but I have never tried beheading a palm.  Since it's randomly chilly I'd guess it may not grow much for at least a couple of weeks?

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3 hours ago, Merlyn said:

Anyone have an idea on when it shoild start moving?  Bananas will grow an inch or so per day if you do that, but I have never tried beheading a palm.  Since it's randomly chilly I'd guess it may not grow much for at least a couple of weeks?

Idk what Im doing or what I'm suppose to be looking for or how to care for the wound, I have no idea why its pushing a thick liquid out and if Im suppose to dry it up with a rag or something or leave it. 😂

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You've done about all you can do.  Give it till mid June then make the call.  I thought it would move a little bit in a week but it is still a little cold.   The thick liquid doesn't sound good.  

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Any amount of decent sun should get it moving. Honestly I figured you would see life by now. Hydrogen peroxide every few days if it's fizzing. With the trunk cut and sun you will know soon if it's a goner. 

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Oh yeah, It didn't make it, I don't know if I said anywhere but I dug it out and replaced it with a washie from bragg blvd

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