Johannesteijsmania Altifrons like bigger pots or deeper and tighter?

[JANAIY]

I am debating whether my Altifrons is best in a wider slightly taller pot or rather deeper and a bit wider ?  She is a big lady and my treasure. She is sitting in a 1 Gallon and looks happy. But upper roots are visible on toplayer. Any tips from owners growing them in pots outside are appreciated!! 
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[JohnAndSancho]

She's gorgeous 😍 

 

I wish I could find one anywhere for a decent price

[JANAIY]

Thank you, I bought this one when it was small in a Miami Nursery, it was tough to let them sell it to me!! They did not wanted to sell at all.  $800 in 2019 ! Very Expensive!! But she is a very healthy one. Never any issues at all! Easy to grow here, she just wants to sit there and no changes to the spot. Water twice a week. Only when we get strong winds she comes inside. That’s a pic when I got her. 
Now her leaves getting huge and it will get problematic , she needs space to grant her the shade she needs. But for now I don’t wanna think about it. 🤣 I wonder how much she is worth now 🤣🤣🤣. I grew one from seed, she is growing but not as beautiful as her. 

 

[JohnAndSancho]

19 minutes ago, JANAIY said:

Thank you, I bought this one when it was small in a Miami Nursery, it was tough to let them sell it to me!! They did not wanted to sell at all.  $800 in 2019 ! Very Expensive!! But she is a very healthy one. Never any issues at all! Easy to grow here, she just wants to sit there and no changes to the spot. Water twice a week. Only when we get strong winds she comes inside. That’s a pic when I got her. 
Now her leaves getting huge and it will get problematic , she needs space to grant her the shade she needs. But for now I don’t wanna think about it. 🤣 I wonder how much she is worth now 🤣🤣🤣. I grew one from seed, she is growing but not as beautiful as her. 

 

I keep seeing seedlings for $150-200 on Etsy and eBay and some of these people want to ship them bare root... They're gorgeous but I couldn't do $800, but $150 doesn't seem so bad now 😂

[JANAIY]

I bought 2 J. Magnifica from my Nursery guy ( he grows rare exotic palms) , I paid those back than $125 each. with 2 leaves. Growing them from seeds myself did not work. Rather get a young one, it’s worth it. Magnifica are more expensive. Never buy bare roots, those people are crazy, the roots are so delicate, to do a repotting is tricky, figure shipping them without soil, they will die in 10 days for sure! 
I cut the pot open and take the roots with surrounding soil out with both hands and sit it in the new prepared pot. Very carefully! It’s a mission but it works like a charm. 
where do you live? 

[JohnAndSancho]

28 minutes ago, JANAIY said:

I bought 2 J. Magnifica from my Nursery guy ( he grows rare exotic palms) , I paid those back than $125 each. with 2 leaves. Growing them from seeds myself did not work. Rather get a young one, it’s worth it. Magnifica are more expensive. Never buy bare roots, those people are crazy, the roots are so delicate, to do a repotting is tricky, figure shipping them without soil, they will die in 10 days for sure! 
I cut the pot open and take the roots with surrounding soil out with both hands and sit it in the new prepared pot. Very carefully! It’s a mission but it works like a charm. 
where do you live? 

I've seen a thread (I think it was yours) about cutting the bottoms of the nursery pots and just stacking these to avoid touching the roots, cool and innovative stuff. 

 

I'm in Mississippi now after spending the last 15 years in Texas. I'm back living with my mom and have to keep most of my plants in my bedroom due to rampaging feral cats and kittens running all over the house and yard. 

[happypalms]

Nice joey looks like it’s in a 200mm container so the next size up would be a 250mm to pot up into a long deep container would be best not so much as wide but one with depth definitely just make sure it has enough roots so you basically get a root ball without the soil falling off the root ball when removing it 

[happypalms]

A good tip for your Joey in summer sit it in a shallow tray of water if it’s outside they love water it will also help with humidity 

[JANAIY]

Thank you for replying. I was anticipating this answer so bad , I waited with my repotting. 
There is a half inch of root coming out already! 
And yes, all my Johannesteijsmania’s sit in some water, crucial! 
What would be the best fertilizer to use, best bio if there is something otherwise whatever is best!! 
I have used the one I use for Florida palms but it  won’t be exact what they need. 
What about getting the leaves darker? My J. Magnifica’s I wish they would be darker like my Altifrons. 
Again thank you ❤️

[happypalms]

8 hours ago, JANAIY said:

Thank you for replying. I was anticipating this answer so bad , I waited with my repotting. 
There is a half inch of root coming out already! 
And yes, all my Johannesteijsmania’s sit in some water, crucial! 
What would be the best fertilizer to use, best bio if there is something otherwise whatever is best!! 
I have used the one I use for Florida palms but it  won’t be exact what they need. 
What about getting the leaves darker? My J. Magnifica’s I wish they would be darker like my Altifrons. 
Again thank you ❤️

Hi there definitely bio fertiliser a liquid fish emulsion or seaweed extract liquid blood and bone used in recommended product rates I usually halve the recommended rate used in watering and foliar feeding less is best palms are like new born babies you cannot force feed them to grow by over feeding you can provide a healthy balanced diet and the right conditions for growth look into some slow release Nutricote or osmocote prilled fertiliser you can get 3,6 or 12 month temperature controlled slow but look into one recommended for palms I use an Australian native plant Nutricote slow release usually a teaspoon in the soil mix or you can sprinkle it around the soil surface a synthetic fertiliser that is quite affective a lot of growers use it in combination with the bio it is individual choice bio or synthetic but definitely less is best I have around 2000 joeys they are fun to grow my tube stock are $50 Australian dollars and the ones in the 175mm containers are $110 Australian dollars a lot cheaper than the US you might try to find a Johannesteijsmannia perakensis for your collection a Joey with a trunk but super slow growing good luck with your joeys just treat them like any other container grown plant they are quite tough don’t fuss over them or panic about them it’s a mistake made with exspensive and rare plants especially palms and in 20 years time you will have a wonderful plant specimen worthy of any collection 

Richard 

[JohnAndSancho]

Starting a GoFundMe so I can be @happypalmsneighbor. 

[happypalms]

9 minutes ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Starting a GoFundMe so I can be @happypalmsneighbor. 

Ok I will donate a Joey to auction off to the highest bidder for the Johnandsancho go fund me page plus postage at the buyers expense 🤣

[JANAIY]

WOW, how many beautifully growing you got!! Thank you for your highly appreciated tips! I will try to find them here. Where are you located? 

[happypalms]

8 hours ago, JANAIY said:

WOW, how many beautifully growing you got!! Thank you for your highly appreciated tips! I will try to find them here. Where are you located? 

Thank you Yes just a couple iam located in Australia 🇦🇺 but Johnandsancho are moving next door I do believe in the future when the go fund me page is completed 🤣

[JohnAndSancho]

We're both getting dewormed and getting our rabies shots to prepare for the move 

[happypalms]

10 minutes ago, JohnAndSancho said:

We're both getting dewormed and getting our rabies shots to prepare for the move 

Sounds like a plan in motion customs are pretty friendly so long as you don’t have any palm seeds on you I just back from India never been scared of dogs all my life until I met the dogs in India full of rabies I will even throw in a Joey palm for you we got em by the hundreds in Australia and sancho some treats upon arrival 🤣🇦🇺

[happypalms]

On 3/31/2024 at 5:01 AM, JANAIY said:

I am debating whether my Altifrons is best in a wider slightly taller pot or rather deeper and a bit wider ?  She is a big lady and my treasure. She is sitting in a 1 Gallon and looks happy. But upper roots are visible on toplayer. Any tips from owners growing them in pots outside are appreciated!! 
See picture

 

Another tip for your Altifrons to green them up some lime will help just a teaspoon watering it in soil types around the globe are different so remember less is best 

[fotodimatti]

Hi Richard,
Thanks for your insights .
What do you think about this idea to put Joeys into water for the hot summer months?

Best, Matti

[happypalms]

2 hours ago, fotodimatti said:

Hi Richard,
Thanks for your insights .
What do you think about this idea to put Joeys into water for the hot summer months?

Best, Matti

Most definitely it works just a couple of centimetres in depth especially for large joeys I have some seedlings in a tray of water it works for them as well just remember not in winter although I have left them in the water in winter but that will give them cold wet feet that was only because I forgot my Joey seemed happy enough there slow in the subtropics but in a warm summer outside for sure 

[fotodimatti]

Hi Richard,
Thanks for this. I am always very cautious with standing water. On the other hand, I lost one of my three Joeys last summer due to drought. Just one day of too dry soil in a dry, hot summer day. And the whole plant looked like mummified...

I saw Joey's relative Licuala grandis potted and standing in water in the botanical garden of Berlin in the hothouse. That was rather new to me...

 

[happypalms]

12 hours ago, fotodimatti said:

Hi Richard,
Thanks for this. I am always very cautious with standing water. On the other hand, I lost one of my three Joeys last summer due to drought. Just one day of too dry soil in a dry, hot summer day. And the whole plant looked like mummified...

I saw Joey's relative Licuala grandis potted and standing in water in the botanical garden of Berlin in the hothouse. That was rather new to me...

 

Joeys can be very fussy one day looking great the next all dry and dead the same happened to me in a hot north wind from the desert region in Queensland I leave a lot of my tropical palms in trays of water a good idea especially if you’re going away just change the water every few days if you’re worried about stagnant water oh and Berlin is a very fun city I never did get to the  botanical garden but the zoo was nice to visit 

Richard