Queen palm in zone 9b

[Silas_Sancona]

1 hour ago, SeanK said:

@MarcusH makes legitimate points. Municipalities have a responsibility to taxpayers and should be conservative with expenditures (plant selections). Everyone below z11 is likely taking some risk and that's an individual decision. 

My belief is that 90% of our gardens should be bulletproof. 10% can be risky but are best reserved for the back yard where neighbors and HOAs don't see protection during the winter. 

As we get older, the desire to protect or remove palms that can't handle a cold winter diminish. 

 Lots of  " older "   <  ...Old / Older = more of a mindset than  actual  age.. >   people aren't afraid of protecting sensitive stuff they might grow, cutting up and removing something that dies  ..From the cold, heat ..or other weather - related issue that damages /  kills something..

Life is risky..  A terrifying  thought to some it seems..

" Municipalities  should be  conservative  with Taxpayer expenditures ".. hahahahaha..  I'll stand on the side of the road w/ a bag of popcorn watching that 20,000 car pileup..

Happy to see 10 cents of any of my tax $$ going toward seeing the city installing some cool stuff ..like Royal Poincianas, Bursera/ Pachycormus, or other " outside the box " tree options which might be " risky " < to some >  ...along side tough native / regionally native stuff like Texas Ebony, and Desert Ironwood.. Rather that than a longgg list of stuff i wish i had a choice not  to contribute a dime to / happily watch go belly up.

Everything from someone peeing on a plant to a lightning strike,  ..or a meteor impact..  can kill any plant the cities install.. 


That's life.. 


 

[Fusca]

2 hours ago, SeanK said:

@MarcusH makes legitimate points. Municipalities have a responsibility to taxpayers and should be conservative with expenditures (plant selections). Everyone below z11 is likely taking some risk and that's an individual decision. 

My belief is that 90% of our gardens should be bulletproof. 10% can be risky but are best reserved for the back yard where neighbors and HOAs don't see protection during the winter. 

As we get older, the desire to protect or remove palms that can't handle a cold winter diminish. 

@MarcusH does make a good point about municipality responsibility but this is a discussion for another thread.  This entire exchange occurred because of him discouraging a homeowner from planting a queen palm in 9b!  Enlighten me please, why should a homeowner in zone 9b be persuaded not plant a 9a palm?  I seriously doubt that there is an HOA in the entire county and your comment regarding practices in HOA is valid.  If we're telling hobbyists not to plant queen palms in 9b should we also discourage planting Butia or Chamaerops in zone 8b?  Both of these palms were severely damaged and/or killed in San Antonio during February 2021.

Yes, there's always a risk planting a palm - especially if the individual refuses to provide protection during its first winter in the ground.  If you read the list of palms I have planted the vast majority I would consider "bulletproof" here although cold is not my main concern - it's drought, wind, soil conditions and animals.  So this point is valid as well - but what makes us think that the original poster @Victor valadezis considering his queen palm to be one of his 90% bulletproof palms?  There were queen palm deaths here in 10a also from 2021 - most of these I imagine were not properly cared for prior to that event.  And even if the worst case scenario happens and we get blasted with another 30-year freeze this January and it takes out his palm - he keeps his receipt, digs it out, goes back to the big box store and gets a refund/replacement.  Not a big loss. 

[Xenon]

Are we viewing the same palmtalk 😅? Many of the most adventurous and boundary pushing gardens on this site belong to retired "old people". Many of the most daring collections I've seen in Texas also belong to "old people". And it's not just a case of them inheriting a garden from their younger years, many of them are starting over from scratch. Some of these "old people" are even in this thread 😂.  Way to patronize young people and presume things about old people in one statement lol. 

From what I can remember, it's really only in the last 5-10 years that the demographic of this site has slowly shifted younger. It used to be very much dominated by the older crowd, and somehow I think they pushed/continue to push the boundaries further as a group than we do today 😂. 'Cause now everytime someone wants to plant anything even low-moderate risk, you have people discouraging them from the get-go. Just when did this place become so risk averse? It's a palm forum, of course many of us are going to plant to our zone if not push boundaries and aspire to grow things just within reach (or even far beyond)...and maybe hope for some encouragement in the one space dedicated to palms lol.

When did taxes and municipalities become a point of discussion? OP just wants to deck his place out with queen palms 😆.

Anyways, plant selection and risk management involves so many more factors than just cold hardiness. Seems FDOT and local municipalities in FL learned this the hard way after burning through tons of field grown Phoenix spp. and Trachycarpus fortunei...yep lethal bronzing and heat intolerance are bigger killers than a rare freeze. Now you see public plantings of palms like Roystonea, Cocos, Veitchia, Thrinax, etc creeping ever northward into areas where they aren't bulletproof. Can be bulletproof to one or two things but not everything! 

[ahosey01]

9 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Are we viewing the same palmtalk 😅? Many of the most adventurous and boundary pushing gardens on this site belong to retired "old people". Many of the most daring collections I've seen in Texas also belong to "old people". And it's not just a case of them inheriting a garden from their younger years, many of them are starting over from scratch. Some of these "old people" are even in this thread 😂.  Way to patronize young people and presume things about old people in one statement lol. 

From what I can remember, it's really only in the last 5-10 years that the demographic of this site has slowly shifted younger. It used to be very much dominated by the older crowd, and somehow I think they pushed/continue to push the boundaries further as a group than we do today 😂. 'Cause now everytime someone wants to plant anything even low-moderate risk, you have people discouraging them from the get-go. Just when did this place become so risk averse? It's a palm forum, of course many of us are going to plant to our zone if not push boundaries and aspire to grow things just within reach (or even far beyond)...and maybe hope for some encouragement in the one space dedicated to palms lol.

When did taxes and municipalities become a point of discussion? OP just wants to deck his place out with queen palms 😆.

Anyways, plant selection and risk management involves so many more factors than just cold hardiness. Seems FDOT and local municipalities in FL learned this the hard way after burning through tons of field grown Phoenix spp. and Trachycarpus fortunei...yep lethal bronzing and heat intolerance are bigger killers than a rare freeze. Now you see public plantings of palms like Roystonea, Cocos, Veitchia, Thrinax, etc creeping ever northward into areas where they aren't bulletproof. Can be bulletproof to one or two things but not everything! 

This is true the younger palm heads are more boring.

[Kenc]

For me, I come to PalmTalk to get advice and learn how to grow my palms better. Even though I live in San Antonio and know the cold might get my palms one day, I’m not going to stop trying. I’ll do my best to take care of them, protect them as much as I can, and enjoy the process. For now, I really enjoy growing them. 

[MrTropical]

1 hour ago, ahosey01 said:

This is true the younger palm heads are more boring.

Hey now! Not all of the younger palm enthusiasts are 'boring' or afraid to take a risk! I'll be 20 years old next year. Currently experimenting with a Queen Palm in Coastal North Carolina, a Zone 8B/9A humid subtropical climate. I know it's not long-term by any means, but this is what life is all about; taking risks and gaining valuable experience and new opportunities by taking said risks.

I'm not afraid and I am ready to give my all this winter!

6-18-2024

[MrTropical]

Another thing for all of us palm enthusiasts to remember, no matter your age or level of experience:

The importance of taking risks in this hobby lies in the potential reward that they bring us as growers. By taking risks with palms deemed marginal or unsuitable for a given area, we open ourselves up to new opportunities, experiences, and valuable personal growth as a gardener.

[jwitt]

I know of washingtonia filifera growing unprotected long-term(30+years)in a zone 6b. 

Yes, they could die.  

In my mind it is better to focus on the how and why they continue to grow.  

Learn from the survivors and let their voice tell the story. 

Queens are just a dream in my parts. 

 

[MarcusH]

Not every one who grows palms is a palm enthusiast.  Lots of people just "like " them . I wouldn't consider myself as a hardcore fan and that's OK with me.  I lived without palms for 40 years before.  No big deal. What I see , at least here in San Antonio , I know Houston too , many dead Robustas were just left alone. Safety hazard , well we had that discussion before but it doesn't look appealing seeing all these dead poles. There's no mother nature taking over on commercial property.  I think on I35 near the exit Fort Sam Houston are still 3 dead Robustas on each side of the freeway . Cut it down for christ sake ! They aren't coming back.  

Think about this . You guys think I'm discouraging someone when I list a few facts about what could happen . I wish i had someone like that telling me all of it when i was new to PalmTalk. Recent years showed that the warm cycle is over ,also here it is again . What makes you guys think digging out palms is fun like it's not a big deal. If so why do we see so many dead palm trees in Texas if digging them out is so simple or not worth a discussion about it ? 

The new PalmTalk memeber was asking for an opinion I gave him one. Some people might be discouraged  to plant another palm after their first palm tree died . Ever thought about that ? 

I'm also surprised, but what I see is a lot of you guys only look at the cold hardiness zone map . San Antonio is in zone 9a . That's all average.  Look at the lows in the last 30 years then decide what you want or can plant. I can be in 9b but still can get a whole zone colder,  sometimes even more.   

I'm not a party pooper but I'm not the guy on the fast lane either. 

[NBTX11]

Marcus you do make valid points. I’ve lost queens and Robusta over the years. The queens were still small enough for me to take out. I had to hire someone to cut down a 20 year old 45 foot tall Robusta. Also had to hire someone to cut down a 30 foot Filifera that died due to lightning strike, not cold. It’s not cheap to have them removed. But I also don’t want to discourage people from planting queen palms even if I don’t. What happens if we go on another streak of warm weather, as we did from 1989 to 2021. If everyone thought exactly as you did, then we would be missing out on 32 year old 60 foot tall Robusta and large queen palms that we saw prior to 2021. I’m glad someone planted them. 

[South Carolina palms]

Ive been growing Bismarcks and Queens in my yard for the past 3 years here in Charleston SC all survived.  Just planted a flamethrower palm few months ago, we'll see how that goes. 

[Xenon]

19 minutes ago, South Carolina palms said:

Just planted a flamethrower palm few months ago, we'll see how that goes. 

I got one through two winters without a blemish and then the peak of last year's hottest summer on record just cooked it within a week. Oh the irony 😆. Best of luck 

[Victor likes palms]

4 hours ago, ahosey01 said:

This is true the younger palm heads are more boring.

I bet I’m the youngest guy in this forum

[Victor likes palms]

Im not new to failure, i planted papayas in 2022 all of them froze the next year. I have some more going this year. My lime froze but my orange survived. Im most likely going to have another lime planted. Im the spring i just planted a guava which is a 9b plant, and we just got switched to 9b. I do not live in a HOA so we are free to plant whatever we want. I was inquiring about the queen palm as I wanted to add a tropical look to my yard.I guess I’ll just see how this winter goes. 

[Xenon]

7 minutes ago, Victor valadez said:

Im not new to failure, i planted papayas in 2022 all of them froze the next year. I have some more going this year. My lime froze but my orange survived. Im most likely going to have another lime planted. Im the spring i just planted a guava which is a 9b plant, and we just got switched to 9b. I do not live in a HOA so we are free to plant whatever we want. I was inquiring about the queen palm as I wanted to add a tropical look to my yard.I guess I’ll just see how this winter goes. 

Well the queen is 1000x more cold hardy than the lime, that's for sure. Persian lime is a little bit more hardy than key lime, but none of the limes/lemons/citrons really perform well in 9a/b border unless you get real lucky with a string of warm winters. Meyer lemon does fine but it's not a "real" lemon. Most of the sweet citrus are fine for the most part. I added some more citrus this year also and some guavas too. 

Guava should do great for you. It grows like a weed and comes back from the ground even after the worst cold. Only need one average to warm winter (>25Fish) to get fruit. Papayas also only need one mild winter (>27-28Fish). 

[Victor likes palms]

14 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Well the queen is 1000x more cold hardy than the lime, that's for sure. Persian lime is a little bit more hardy than key lime, but none of the limes/lemons/citrons really perform well in 9a/b border unless you get real lucky with a string of warm winters. Meyer lemon does fine but it's not a "real" lemon. Most of the sweet citrus are fine for the most part. I added some more citrus this year also and some guavas too. 

Guava should do great for you. It grows like a weed and comes back from the ground even after the worst cold. Only need one average to warm winter (>25Fish) to get fruit. Papayas also only need one mild winter (>27-28Fish). 

Oh I did not know that the queen palm is more hardy than a key lime. Before 2021 citrus trees were even common as street trees in my town, they were pretty large. Now its rare to even see a orange tree. My key lime froze in the winter of 2022 along with my papayas. I have purchased a persian lime this time which im hoping to plant maybe this fall or next spring. My guava is doing quite well. I hope your citrus and guava go well for you. I do not know how to attach  photos here of my pink guava

[kinzyjr]

On 6/17/2024 at 1:33 PM, Xenon said:

Where is the Florida version of Marcus?

We have had some back and forth discussions from the more risk-tolerant planters and the more risk-averse growers.

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/48985-future-usda-map/

There's room for both.  Sometimes the same person ends up being both at different times for different reasons.  In my case, my start into growing palms was with a philosophy that I wouldn't plant anything that couldn't handle our record low of 20F.  That still gave me about ~50 reliable species that could be grown, but my primary interest was in Date palms anyway.

Along the way, lethal bronzing popped up and plenty of crownshaft palms survived January 2008, January 2010, and December 2010.  After this, it seemed like a lot of other growers were gifting me palms that were more appropriate to locales with milder winters.  Fast-forward to now and my planting philosophy is just to toss it in the ground and see how long it lasts.  If it makes it a year, it probably lasted longer than a Phoenix sylvestris would have. 

A good example is Veitchia winin.  I got it for $10, put it in the ground, and it made it through a mild winter.  Will it likely die from cold soon?  Yep... but it was fun while it lasted.  As things die off from cold or disease, I'll gradually move back in the direction of planting hardier plants now that I know more about how to grow some of the nicer desert palms.

[SeanK]

6 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

 Lots of  " older "   <  ...Old / Older = more of a mindset than  actual  age.. >   people aren't afraid of protecting sensitive stuff they might grow, cutting up and removing something that dies  ..From the cold, heat ..or other weather - related issue that damages /  kills something..

Life is risky..  A terrifying  thought to some it seems..

" Municipalities  should be  conservative  with Taxpayer expenditures ".. hahahahaha..  I'll stand on the side of the road w/ a bag of popcorn watching that 20,000 car pileup..

Happy to see 10 cents of any of my tax $$ going toward seeing the city installing some cool stuff ..like Royal Poincianas, Bursera/ Pachycormus, or other " outside the box " tree options which might be " risky " < to some >  ...along side tough native / regionally native stuff like Texas Ebony, and Desert Ironwood.. Rather that than a longgg list of stuff i wish i had a choice not  to contribute a dime to / happily watch go belly up.

Everything from someone peeing on a plant to a lightning strike,  ..or a meteor impact..  can kill any plant the cities install.. 


That's life.. 


 

How old are you?

I guarantee that when you hit 50, you'll start planning better and at 60 there's no way you're going outside in an ice storm to wrap your Cytostachis.

[Xenon]

2 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Fast-forward to now and my planting philosophy is just to toss it in the ground and see how long it lasts.  If it makes it a year, it probably lasted longer than a Phoenix sylvestris would have. 

A good example is Veitchia winin.  I got it for $10, put it in the ground, and it made it through a mild winter.  Will it likely die from cold soon?  Yep... but it was fun while it lasted.  As things die off from cold or disease, I'll gradually move back in the direction of planting hardier plants now that I know more about how to grow some of the nicer desert palms.

Agree but sometimes you fail on your first, second, or even third try. My philosophy is that if someone near you has grown something for any amount of time you deem significant, there's no reason you can't do likewise. 

I also don't mind replacing certain cheap things or things I can easily grow from seed. If I have decent chance of growing Archontophoenix for 5-10 years, you bet I'm taking that chance 😃. It's not just about the moment you plant it or when it dies, it's all the possible awe and satisfaction in-between too. 

[SeanK]

5 hours ago, Fusca said:

@MarcusH does make a good point about municipality responsibility but this is a discussion for another thread.  This entire exchange occurred because of him discouraging a homeowner from planting a queen palm in 9b!  Enlighten me please, why should a homeowner in zone 9b be persuaded not plant a 9a palm?  I seriously doubt that there is an HOA in the entire county and your comment regarding practices in HOA is valid.  If we're telling hobbyists not to plant queen palms in 9b should we also discourage planting Butia or Chamaerops in zone 8b?  Both of these palms were severely damaged and/or killed in San Antonio during February 2021.

Yes, there's always a risk planting a palm - especially if the individual refuses to provide protection during its first winter in the ground.  If you read the list of palms I have planted the vast majority I would consider "bulletproof" here although cold is not my main concern - it's drought, wind, soil conditions and animals.  So this point is valid as well - but what makes us think that the original poster @Victor valadezis considering his queen palm to be one of his 90% bulletproof palms?  There were queen palm deaths here in 10a also from 2021 - most of these I imagine were not properly cared for prior to that event.  And even if the worst case scenario happens and we get blasted with another 30-year freeze this January and it takes out his palm - he keeps his receipt, digs it out, goes back to the big box store and gets a refund/replacement.  Not a big loss. 

I would recommend a Queen in z9b b/c 95% of winters it'll do OK. I generally criticize Queens in Z10 because there are more interesting choices available.

I will add that most Queens & robustas I have seen looked pretty sloppy. However, a Washie is a big deal in z9a b/c finally you can grow it safely. Likewise the Queen in z9b.

[SeanK]

4 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Agree but sometimes you fail on your first, second, or even third try. My philosophy is that if someone near you has grown something for any amount of time you deem significant, there's no reason you can't do likewise. 

I also don't mind replacing certain cheap things or things I can easily grow from seed. If I have decent chance of growing Archontophoenix for 5-10 years, you bet I'm taking that chance 😃. It's not just about the moment you plant it or when it dies, it's all the possible awe and satisfaction in-between too. 

Five years is too short. Through experience, we learn to assess situations, cut our losses and move on.

[AlligatorDave]

Coconut trees will soon be over-growing New York City, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago & Anchorage  according to politician-climate experts, who, when they’re not too busy burning through 500 gallons per hour of jet fuel flying on private jets are demanding we all give up combustion engine vehicles, gas stoves, & eating beef because cows fart too much adding to global warming(but electric cars powered with electricity made by burning coal & crude oil doesn’t). We will soon be growing mapus, salaccas & pigafettas in New Jersey(near the coast only though). Factually, 90% of ALL trees in the US were cut down 1750-1950. So replacing any of those trees is welcome and encouraged, even palms in cold places. Plant away! We need more trees. Maybe some of those trees might even clean the air coming from those politician’s mouths. 

[Silas_Sancona]

2 minutes ago, SeanK said:

How old are you?

I guarantee that when you hit 50, you'll start planning better and at 60 there's no way you're going outside in an ice storm to wrap your Cytostachis.

Not sure,  ...Definitely old enough though to not share my age with random internet folk..


  Guarantee  ..unless i fall off a trail somewhere,  struck by lightning while chasing storms, killed after being zapped by a rattlesnake  ..or other venomous critter somewhere between here and central America..  when i hit 60,  i'll likely still be quite active  ..and planting away / chopping down the things that don't make it.

Already plan well as it is, so not worried about that either..

Why on earth would anyone live anywhere that sees ice / snow,     .....That's just crazy talk,  lol...

[SeanK]

1 minute ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Not sure,  ...Definitely old enough though to not share my age with random internet folk..


  Guarantee  ..unless i fall off a trail somewhere,  struck by lightning while chasing storms, killed after being zapped by a rattlesnake  ..or other venomous critter somewhere between here and central America..  when i hit 60,  i'll likely still be quite active  ..and planting away / chopping down the things that don't make it.

Already plan well as it is, so not worried about that either..

Why on earth would anyone live anywhere that sees ice / snow,     .....That's just crazy talk,  lol...

Most folks migrate to a place where they find jobs. 

[Silas_Sancona]

2 minutes ago, SeanK said:

Most folks migrate to a place where they find jobs. 

Jobs everywhere,  even in places w/ out   ice..   

Mind blown,  right? 


 

[Xenon]

24 minutes ago, SeanK said:

Five years is too short. Through experience, we learn to assess situations, cut our losses and move on.

Sounds like a you thing. But thanks for the advice? My first memory of killing something rare due to cold is a bunch of few month old Beccariophpenix alfredii seedlings I germinated in 2010 when they were the hot new thing. Hasn't ever stopped me from constantly trying new plants 😄. Now I never tried the fake coco again because I don't like it's look. 

Wouldn't recommend a 5 yr timescale for the casual gardener if they didn't understand the risk. But queens for the OP? sure go for it.

A 5 year timescale for me is it worth it. People plant annual flowers every year and don't make a fuss. A few small zonepushes are no different and have the potential to last much longer.  

[ahosey01]

I would like to say that one reasonable strategy for planting tender things in a climate like Texas that occasionally gets the arctic blast is to plant actively suckering palms / palm-like plants (Ravenala, etc.).

As long as you have enough mild winters to get a big healthy root system established, your plants can get smoked and then pretty soon you'll have a full-size trunking replacement as the new suckers eat up all the nutrients and water a mature root structure can provide.

[Ben G.]

People will definitely be more or less willing to take risks with their planting, depending on the personality, resources available, etc. our past experiences play a big role though too. I am not quite 39, and I spent many years in school before I was able to start working and buy a home. So my gardening experience has been all within the last 15 years, and I have only been planting at my own homes for the last 12 years.

That has been a really rough timespan for zone pushing in the central US. 2011 was one of my first years gardening...and it set records for cold, heat, and drought. I have lost a fair number of palms over the years, including my biggest and nicest ones. They weren't large enough to require professional help to remove, but it was hard watching my hard work shrivel up and die. So, I am certainly more cautious than I used to be.

On the other hand I have also lost azaleas, crape myrtles, and mulberry trees too. I watched most silver maples in the OKC area get burned up and die between the summers of 2011 and 2012. Palms aren't the only plants and trees that will die during harsh weather. 

I try not to plant anything that isn't pretty well suited to my location anymore, unless I am willing to baby that plant. I don't think I am done zone pushing entirely through. I will just try to understand the risks, try to give my plants the best chance I can, then let the chips fall where they may.

I can understand the terrible frustration that comes with having 6 of the last 8 winters go below my zone average. Every year thinking that we are due for something more mild. That frustration definitely influences my planting choices now. I will still push some boundaries now and then though.

I am enough of a plant collector that I can understand the big-time zone pushers. I am also tired enough of losing palms that I don't blame those who want to go conservative either. 

Best of luck to all of your gardens.

[Ben G.]

36 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

I would like to say that one reasonable strategy for planting tender things in a climate like Texas that occasionally gets the arctic blast is to plant actively suckering palms / palm-like plants (Ravenala, etc.).

As long as you have enough mild winters to get a big healthy root system established, your plants can get smoked and then pretty soon you'll have a full-size trunking replacement as the new suckers eat up all the nutrients and water a mature root structure can provide.

You're just trying to convince me to try that Arenga engleri that I had talked myself out of, aren't you?

[ahosey01]

3 hours ago, Ben G. said:

You're just trying to convince me to try that Arenga engleri that I had talked myself out of, aren't you?

Yes.  Buy it yesterday.

[Robert Cade Ross]

On 6/18/2024 at 6:07 PM, Victor valadez said:

I bet I’m the youngest guy in this forum

Lol 20 here 

[Gville Palms]

It’s great having a wide range of opinions on here. Most of the time, there’s usually some truth on both sides of an argument and I don’t think there’s any exception to that here. I think getting both sides allows someone to make more educated decisions and I imagine that’s the case for the OP.

I am much more on the side of planting borderline palms/plants because I think that’s fun and part of what makes gardening exciting. After all, I don’t think anyone would know how hardy specific palms were in the first place if it weren’t for people experimenting with them in a wide range of locations - which I think implies that a lot of people enjoy experimenting with plants that are borderline. 

That said, I fully understand the counter argument. If someone plants 5 or 6 decent sized queens and they survive 5 or 6 years (or 10) and then a cold kills them, they may end up really regretting that original decision. But to that end, something else besides cold could easily kill them well before a freeze ever does. Gardening in general, but especially with most non-native plants, involves some degree of risk. In the end, make the decision that you think makes sense and works for you and have fun with it! 

 

[Victor likes palms]

On 6/21/2024 at 10:59 AM, Cade said:

Lol 20 here 

Im still studying in high school lol

[PA-TX2024]

On 6/24/2024 at 4:34 PM, Victor valadez said:

Im still studying in high school lol

I'm a 21 year old who moved out of PA to TX.

[JLM]

On 6/18/2024 at 1:29 PM, ahosey01 said:

This is true the younger palm heads are more boring.

I think im doing pretty good for 18 years old...

Been on this forum since 2019 and started really collecting/germinating palms in 2020.

[Robert Cade Ross]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:41 PM, Xenon said:

Oh I mean just tens of thousands just in this red circle🤣....not including anywhere else in Houston (central, west, southwest, etc or Galveston with thousands of queens alone...it's a metro area of 7+ million people after all).  And there you go again with "I didn't see this", "I didn't see that"...'cause everyone else's lived experience is invalid hahaha. Regardless whether you believe me or not, reality is reality lol

Drove past sights like this all the time and didn't bat an eye, guess we took them for granted! 

 

Rip lol time to replant 

[Alberto]

The habitat of queen palms is from cold tableland ( 1000 m or more meters altitude in south) to hot tropical climates at the coast ( southeast) and very hot inland in northeastern Brazil ( Bahia). Provenance must probably make a big difference in the hardiness of queen palms. Weather info of Castro, my neighboring county, were queens are native.  https://m.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php?s=598018&cityname=Castro-Parana-Brazil