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Please ID this palm

SoulofthePlace

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Please can someone ID this palm. I have purchased it as a seedling as Kentia palm – Howea forsteriana in the spring of 2020 from Vladimir Uhrin, Viriar.com (Slovakia) on e-bay (username: vladimir-uhrin). Four years later, I believe I was sold something else, but not a Kentia palm. This palm has got fan shaped leaves and little teeth on its petioles, unlike Kentia palms. Please take a look at the attached photos. Thank you.

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Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Looks like a Livistona - maybe chinensis?  Definitely no Howea!

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Nannorrhops r?

Although maybe a regular Chamaerhops h.

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Serenoa Repens (green form).

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SoulofthePlace Proficient

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Thank you for your three suggestions. Perhaps still some sort of Livingstona but not chinensis? I've looked up photos of all three and I am not convinced yet. Could it be yet something else? Please enlarge the photos, they can be enlarged a lot more. Please take note, it has got three stems.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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  On 6/24/2024 at 6:12 PM, SoulofthePlace said:

Please take note, it has got three stems.

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If it's suckering it's not Livistona.  I'm having trouble seeing the whole palm but now I'm thinking it's Acoelorraphe wrightii.

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  On 6/24/2024 at 6:50 PM, Fusca said:

If it's suckering it's not Livistona.  I'm having trouble seeing the whole palm but now I'm thinking it's Acoelorraphe wrightii.

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Thanks! Interesting observation. I believe that could be it.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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it definitely looks like Livistona chinensis to me based on the leaves and petioles and color, but I just repotted one so they're on my mind. it's always harder to identify with exact precision when the tree palms are too young to begin trunking. also if it was sold as a clump like mine was, it would appear to have multiple stems but really those are all single plants

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Was it a single stem when you received it? L.chinensis is often potted as a triple,and that is what it looks like to me too. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

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  On 6/24/2024 at 10:14 PM, PalmsInBaltimore said:

it definitely looks like Livistona chinensis to me based on the leaves and petioles and color, but I just repotted one so they're on my mind. it's always harder to identify with exact precision when the tree palms are too young to begin trunking. also if it was sold as a clump like mine was, it would appear to have multiple stems but really those are all single plants

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It was a single seedling when I received it 4 years ago from vladimir-uhrin Viriar nursery in Slovakia and it was sold to me as Kentia palm Howea forsteriana. Another small palm they sold to me arrived dead.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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  On 6/24/2024 at 10:39 PM, aztropic said:

Was it a single stem when you received it? L.chinensis is often potted as a triple,and that is what it looks like to me too. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

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It was a single stem when I received it. My palms "teeth" on its petioles definitely are NOT facing down and the fronds are NOT shiny and slick like those in your photo. The "teeth" are mostly straight facing, with some facing slightly down and some up. The underside of its fronds are bluish green in color and the upper side of the fronds are green. Mine is definitely is not a Livistona chinensis. It looks more like Acoelorraphe wrightii, according to Fusca. Please pay attention how its (my photos) fronds are specifically curved and even rippled and some of it's "teeth" have got hooks at the end.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Looking through Palmpedia at the typical suspects, I'll disqualify Nannorrhops b/c it seems to lack spines.

Serenoa has spines, but shorter and they point towards the trunk. 

Chamaerhops has spines like yours, pointing towards the leaf. If yours is a common palm, it is likely C.humilis.

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  On 6/25/2024 at 11:33 AM, SeanK said:

Looking through Palmpedia at the typical suspects, I'll disqualify Nannorrhops b/c it seems to lack spines.

Serenoa has spines, but shorter and they point towards the trunk. 

Chamaerhops has spines like yours, pointing towards the leaf. If yours is a common palm, it is likely C.humilis.

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I used to grow European Fan Palm. It's not exactly a match IMHO. Why can't it be Acoelorraphe wrightii?

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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  On 6/25/2024 at 11:11 AM, SoulofthePlace said:

It was a single seedling when I received it 4 years ago from vladimir-uhrin Viriar nursery in Slovakia and it was sold to me a Kentia plam Howea forsteriana. Another small palm they sold me arrived dead.

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Interesting. Sadly definitely not a Kentia, which have pinnate leaves and are relatively uncommon as far as palms go due to export controls. I hope you didn't pay much for it and that you got a refund for the one that was dead on arrival.

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I’m not certain, but looks like A wrightii to me too. If so, it’s a bit of a strange mistake by the nursery. It’s not like they were trying to rip you off, as A wrightii is more sought after at least in my part of the world.  And of course it’s about the furthest away from Howea or any palm appearance wise, just an odd mix up I guess. 

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  On 6/25/2024 at 12:06 PM, PalmsInBaltimore said:

Interesting. Sadly definitely not a Kentia, which have pinnate leaves and are relatively uncommon as far as palms go due to export controls. I hope you didn't pay much for it and that you got a refund for the one that was dead on arrival.

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Yes, I received a refund for the dead on arrival one. Unfortunately I wasted 4 years to realize it's not Kentia palm. Gladly I had some Howea forsteriana seeds (locally collected from a palm in Lajes do Pico, Azores that's been recently cut down for some reason) which have germinated a couple years ago and now I have two small seedlings growing. Always buy from reputable sources or take your chances. I paid I think €20 for that one, which I now believe could be Acoelorraphe wrightii. It's not a bad addition to my outdoor palm collection. Even if it is a European Fan Palm or the rather unlikely Livistona chinensis.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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I think you may be right about it being A. wrightii, which I think is a clumping multi stem palm. How fibrous is it at the leaf bases?

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  On 6/25/2024 at 12:21 PM, PalmsInBaltimore said:

I think you may be right about it being A. wrightii, which I think is a clumping multi stem palm. How fibrous is it at the leaf bases?

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Fiber is at the trunk as in photos which can be enlarged. Acoelorraphe wrightii according to Fusca (username).

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Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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  On 6/25/2024 at 12:14 PM, tim_brissy_13 said:

I’m not certain, but looks like A wrightii to me too. If so, it’s a bit of a strange mistake by the nursery. It’s not like they were trying to rip you off, as A wrightii is more sought after at least in my part of the world.  And of course it’s about the furthest away from Howea or any palm appearance wise, just an odd mix up I guess. 

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No, of course not a rip off. Just they sold whatever they had on hand or made a mistake. It's not the money that matters but 4 years of waiting for Kentia to grow up and planting it in the special spot arranged and dedicated specifically for Kentia and realizing it is completely something else. That's why I discontinued online purchases and am raising whatever I have already germinated over the years from seeds.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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  On 6/25/2024 at 12:03 PM, SoulofthePlace said:

I used to grow European Fan Palm. It's not exactly a match IMHO. Why can't it be Acoelorraphe wrightii?

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I hadn't looked at that. Spines on the petioles? Which way do they point?

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