A couple of Livistonia nitida seedlings and a Livistonia rigida

[happypalms]

A nice little gift in the mail in exchange for some chameadorea adscedans seeds a great trade iam pretty happy with and iam sure the chamaedorea seeds will be well looked after going to another collector of palms the good old barter system works fine with me no money or government involved in the transaction let’s see the government tax that seeing as they tax us with imported seeds giving us a nice little bill for inspecting our seeds even with the correct paperwork the barter system has  been around longer than any government and will always be around.

[Jonathan]

Looking good Richard, glad they made it safely, and thanks for the Cham seeds!

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, Jonathan said:

Looking good Richard, glad they made it safely, and thanks for the Cham seeds!

I got the best side to the deal a palm that is cold hardy and considering it came from Tasmania it might grow into a tassie devil monster it shall always be the palm from tassie to me and the story of it to match 😂

[Harry’s Palms]

New palms are always fun. I recently got a few , yesterday I planted. I love the barter system and have much the same feelings about greedy third parties. Enough said! Harry

[Jonathan]

10 hours ago, happypalms said:

I got the best side to the deal a palm that is cold hardy and considering it came from Tasmania it might grow into a tassie devil monster it shall always be the palm from tassie to me and the story of it to match 😂

It's a good story really...seed collected in Adels Grove North Queensland, grown in  South Arm Tasmania, sent to Halfway Creek NSW to live halfway between. A well balanced journey.

[KrisKupsch]

Livistona 

[peachy]

I am in a local plant swapping group but they come here and then want a piece of this and one of those and one of these but still only have their one little plant as a trade.  I did meet one decent woman though and now we mainly trade with each other.  I only wish she was into palms. Most of my Euphorbias came from her actually.

Peachy

[happypalms]

20 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

New palms are always fun. I recently got a few , yesterday I planted. I love the barter system and have much the same feelings about greedy third parties. Enough said! Harry

They are indeed in fact any new plant is fun now to over grow that greedy government what plant would do that best.

Richard 

[happypalms]

10 hours ago, Jonathan said:

It's a good story really...seed collected in Adels Grove North Queensland, grown in  South Arm Tasmania, sent to Halfway Creek NSW to live halfway between. A well balanced journey.

And it doesn’t have two heads after been grown in Tasmania iam sure it will be happy at happypalms 🤣

[happypalms]

9 hours ago, KrisKupsch said:

Livistona 

You win the spelling bee Kris 🤣

[happypalms]

8 hours ago, peachy said:

I am in a local plant swapping group but they come here and then want a piece of this and one of those and one of these but still only have their one little plant as a trade.  I did meet one decent woman though and now we mainly trade with each other.  I only wish she was into palms. Most of my Euphorbias came from her actually.

Peachy

The best trade system in the world only cowrie shells can beat the barter system another great one is the door knock just ask most people are more than happy to offer a cutting or seeds. Richard 

[Phoenikakias]

14 hours ago, peachy said:

I am in a local plant swapping group but they come here and then want a piece of this and one of those and one of these but still only have their one little plant as a trade.  I did meet one decent woman though and now we mainly trade with each other.  I only wish she was into palms. Most of my Euphorbias came from her actually.

Peachy

Beads and mirrors for collection items! I have come across such people often and the most angering detail is, that they do have extra really interesting pieces.

[Jonathan]

21 hours ago, peachy said:

I am in a local plant swapping group but they come here and then want a piece of this and one of those and one of these but still only have their one little plant as a trade.  I did meet one decent woman though and now we mainly trade with each other.  I only wish she was into palms. Most of my Euphorbias came from her actually.

Peachy

Peachy, I was trading plants a few years ago with a character who would come around and sweet talk palm seedlings out of me like a hypnotist. Occasionally he'd turn up with a plant I was vaguely interested in, but really I was more interested in helping him get a good collection growing and didn't worry too much about trade...until someone pointed out that he was selling my plants on Facebook, the little prick! Some people have no pride.

[happypalms]

4 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Peachy, I was trading plants a few years ago with a character who would come around and sweet talk palm seedlings out of me like a hypnotist. Occasionally he'd turn up with a plant I was vaguely interested in, but really I was more interested in helping him get a good collection growing and didn't worry too much about trade...until someone pointed out that he was selling my plants on Facebook, the little prick! Some people have no pride.

Like a hypnotist hey he must have been a palm guru Jonathan but a clever wheeler and dealer he was the only thing he would con out of me is the weeds in my nursery which is nothing I can just see him now talking to you using his magic on you did he use words like you are getting sleepy the scammer if ever you see him broken down on the highway you know what to do at the last minute drive real close and open the passenger door.

[KrisKupsch]

3 hours ago, happypalms said:

Like a hypnotist hey he must have been a palm guru Jonathan but a clever wheeler and dealer he was the only thing he would con out of me is the weeds in my nursery which is nothing I can just see him now talking to you using his magic on you did he use words like you are getting sleepy the scammer if ever you see him broken down on the highway you know what to do at the last minute drive real close and open the passenger door.

Gee shouldnt let plants get in between people like that. Lucky it wasn’t me ! I’ve never been to Jonathan’s ! Thought crosses my mind once gifted it’s their choice and best not hold onto emotions so strongly like that. Maybe he needed the money and maybe there’s more to the story but I say you shouldn’t let plants get in between friends or associates. It’s just stupid being that way. 

[Jonathan]

1 hour ago, KrisKupsch said:

Gee shouldnt let plants get in between people like that. Lucky it wasn’t me ! I’ve never been to Jonathan’s ! Thought crosses my mind once gifted it’s their choice and best not hold onto emotions so strongly like that. Maybe he needed the money and maybe there’s more to the story but I say you shouldn’t let plants get in between friends or associates. It’s just stupid being that way. 

Haha, don't think I'd have too much of interest to you Kris!

This guy didn't need the money, he was just greedy...stupid or not there's a limit to my tolerance for selfishness.

But in general I agree with you, plants are something to enjoy, not fight over.

[tim_brissy_13]

I think it’s definitely best to try to let go completely once you gift or sell cheap. It really is then the receiver’s to do with what they like. On the flip side, if I ever receive anything as a gift and then intend to pass it on for whatever reason I’ll generally let the person I got it off know first. I got a few palms off a very generous palm nut down here who used to post on PT. I knew I wouldn’t be able to grow all on to maturity here so just let them know I was donating one to a botanic garden. Transparency is always a good rule, it’s when things are hidden and secretive that people can tend to get annoyed. 
 

Actually I will admit I got a couple of Heliconis rhizomes a few years back which I now need to stop spreading every growing season. I sell the new rhizomes and stems off every year on fb marketplace. But based on how quickly they go, I’m guessing I’m selling way too cheap although I really mostly aim to spread them to other’s gardens. Sure, partially funding new palm seed purchases is a nice side effect 😆

[KrisKupsch]

13 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Haha, don't think I'd have too much of interest to you Kris!

This guy didn't need the money, he was just greedy...stupid or not there's a limit to my tolerance for selfishness.

But in general I agree with you, plants are something to enjoy, not fight over.

You have plenty of things I would want. 

Sounds complicated and there are sadly a tonne of these interpersonal dispute stories in the Palm world. I think all come from egos and perhaps jealousy, to be Frank about it. Very very boring they all are and most occur online without resolve. 

[Jonathan]

1 hour ago, KrisKupsch said:

You have plenty of things I would want. 

Sounds complicated and there are sadly a tonne of these interpersonal dispute stories in the Palm world. I think all come from egos and perhaps jealousy, to be Frank about it. Very very boring they all are and most occur online without resolve. 

Not too complicated in this instance, purely mercantile opportunism!

It's a strange phenomena,  the egoism in the collection world. It doesn't really manifest amongst palm people down here (Tasmania) because we're so very niche, but apparently the orchid collectors are a different story altogether! I met a guy who stopped growing orchids due to the toxic competitiveness of the show society...which begs the question, why show them? Just enjoy them!

[Jonathan]

Just now, Jonathan said:

You have plenty of things I would want. 

Send me a pm if there's any Tassie specials I can source for you Kris.

Cheers,  Jonathan 

[Jonathan]

3 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I think it’s definitely best to try to let go completely once you gift or sell cheap. It really is then the receiver’s to do with what they like. On the flip side, if I ever receive anything as a gift and then intend to pass it on for whatever reason I’ll generally let the person I got it off know first. I got a few palms off a very generous palm nut down here who used to post on PT. I knew I wouldn’t be able to grow all on to maturity here so just let them know I was donating one to a botanic garden. Transparency is always a good rule, it’s when things are hidden and secretive that people can tend to get annoyed. 
 

Actually I will admit I got a couple of Heliconis rhizomes a few years back which I now need to stop spreading every growing season. I sell the new rhizomes and stems off every year on fb marketplace. But based on how quickly they go, I’m guessing I’m selling way too cheap although I really mostly aim to spread them to other’s gardens. Sure, partially funding new palm seed purchases is a nice side effect 😆

Yes, I think that's the point - transparency. 

If Richard plants 3 of the nitida seedlings in his garden and sells six later as well grown plants, I'll be happy to have helped out his business. If he sells them all tomorrow, it's a fair trade because he sent me a heap of seeds that I wanted and that are difficult to source. It's really just an exercise in basic ethics.

[peachy]

20 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

Yes, I think that's the point - transparency. 

If Richard plants 3 of the nitida seedlings in his garden and sells six later as well grown plants, I'll be happy to have helped out his business. If he sells them all tomorrow, it's a fair trade because he sent me a heap of seeds that I wanted and that are difficult to source. It's really just an exercise in basic ethics.

I have no idea of how many palms and other plants I have given away over the years.  I can remember every palm I was ever given gratis.   Plants shows bring out the nasty side of people and dog shows are the very worst.  All of it indicates what type of person is under the likeable/pitiable veneer.  It's common knowledge that since my last marriage left me on the bones of my bum but that doesn't impede anyone in the slightest if they see something I have and that they want. I was always so afraid of offending people and also having a generous nature, made me a neon sign to bludgers and users. When I finally learnt that nobody else will stand up for me and saying No is just as easy as saying Yes,  I became the misanthropic old harridan I am today.  I will still give someone a hand or advice if I think it is needed but always remember the words of the very wise Oscar Wilde. 'No good deed ever goes unpunished'.  Last words on the subject .....I can sleep with a clear conscience and there's nobody who can say I cheated them on a deal of any kind.

Peachy.

[Jonathan]

13 minutes ago, peachy said:

I have no idea of how many palms and other plants I have given away over the years.  I can remember every palm I was ever given gratis.   Plants shows bring out the nasty side of people and dog shows are the very worst.  All of it indicates what type of person is under the likeable/pitiable veneer.  It's common knowledge that since my last marriage left me on the bones of my bum but that doesn't impede anyone in the slightest if they see something I have and that they want. I was always so afraid of offending people and also having a generous nature, made me a neon sign to bludgers and users. When I finally learnt that nobody else will stand up for me and saying No is just as easy as saying Yes,  I became the misanthropic old harridan I am today.  I will still give someone a hand or advice if I think it is needed but always remember the words of the very wise Oscar Wilde. 'No good deed ever goes unpunished'.  Last words on the subject .....I can sleep with a clear conscience and there's nobody who can say I cheated them on a deal of any kind.

Peachy.

Dog shows, Oscar Wilde and philosophical redemption, a deep dive!

I think we may have hijacked this thread...

[peachy]

5 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

Dog shows, Oscar Wilde and philosophical redemption, a deep dive!

I think we may have hijacked this thread...

Yes it certainly was a successful hijacking, so I may as well make it a complete non hostile takeover and enquire as to when you moved from Blackman's Bay ?

[happypalms]

If I have it I will share it after all in the end you can’t take it with you it brings me joy knowing that my seeds went to a good home I have sent seeds to rps and to me that was milestone in palm growing knowing that are from garden around the world is satisfying to me.

[Jonathan]

3 minutes ago, happypalms said:

If I have it I will share it after all in the end you can’t take it with you it brings me joy knowing that my seeds went to a good home I have sent seeds to rps and to me that was milestone in palm growing knowing that are from garden around the world is satisfying to me.

Yep, nice work mate.

[Phoenikakias]

11 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I think it’s definitely best to try to let go completely once you gift or sell cheap. It really is then the receiver’s to do with what they like. On the flip side, if I ever receive anything as a gift and then intend to pass it on for whatever reason I’ll generally let the person I got it off know first. I got a few palms off a very generous palm nut down here who used to post on PT. I knew I wouldn’t be able to grow all on to maturity here so just let them know I was donating one to a botanic garden. Transparency is always a good rule, it’s when things are hidden and secretive that people can tend to get annoyed. 
 

Actually I will admit I got a couple of Heliconis rhizomes a few years back which I now need to stop spreading every growing season. I sell the new rhizomes and stems off every year on fb marketplace. But based on how quickly they go, I’m guessing I’m selling way too cheap although I really mostly aim to spread them to other’s gardens. Sure, partially funding new palm seed purchases is a nice side effect 😆

Do they ever bloom in Melbourne?

[happypalms]

6 hours ago, peachy said:

Yes it certainly was a successful hijacking, so I may as well make it a complete non hostile takeover and enquire as to when you moved from Blackman's Bay ?

I forgot what the original subject was omg i opened a can of worms 🐛 who let the palm dart out 

[tim_brissy_13]

12 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Do they ever bloom in Melbourne?

Not yet, but I’ve heard H subulata can in cool climates so I’m hopeful one day they will. 

[Phoenikakias]

Have you tried schiedeana too? It blooms in the Bay area (Jim Denz), but in Athens as a potted specimen remains green all winter long but in the following warm season last year's corms cease  growing, while new sprouts pop up. Eventually all old growth dies back. With this pattern no chance for blooming, flowering parts of the clump must be over one year old.