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Please ID these palms in Madeira

SoulofthePlace

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Please ID these palms in Madeira, they grow along the waterfront, there are more of them if you browse around:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6446578,-16.9138977,3a,15y,318.58h,102.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8IEZ-wNjOTLNr-loRnOvFA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu


Could this be Satakentia liukiuensis?

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

Xenon Grand Master

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Archontophoenix cunninghamiana

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Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

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52 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Archontophoenix cunninghamiana

I have Archontophoenix cunninghamiana growing in my yard and they look different. A.c. have got a different shape of the trunk that widens at the bottom and the not so red crownshaft is completely different shaped and much more elongated as well as rings on its trunk look different.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Occam's razor;   I also think that it is an Archontophoenix, but not A. cunninghamiana, and more likely one the several species formerly lumped into A. alexandrae.

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21 minutes ago, Darold Petty said:

Occam's razor;   I also think that it is an Archontophoenix, but not A. cunninghamiana, and more likely one the several species formerly lumped into A. alexandrae.

Perhaps Archontophoenix purpurea?

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

Xenon Grand Master

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The purple-lilac inflorescences are a dead giveaway for A. cunninghamiana plus the relaxed/drooping crown vs more upright for the other spp. Palms can vary in appearance based on age and growing conditions. I don't see anything inconsistent with A. cunninghamiana in the streetview 

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I’d second Archontophoenix cunninghamiana. They are quite variable.

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For those of you that frequent Facebook, I’ve set up a group called “Pommy palms”, where many of the palms I’ve seen since emigrating to Australia have been documented. If you wish to be a member, copy and paste “Pommy palms” into Facebook to view the page and click “Join group”.

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100% A cunninghamiana

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

Jonathan Haycock Experienced

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More to the point, if you have access to the seed, grab some. This is a very attractive form of A. cunninghamiana and worth cultivating. 

For those of you that frequent Facebook, I’ve set up a group called “Pommy palms”, where many of the palms I’ve seen since emigrating to Australia have been documented. If you wish to be a member, copy and paste “Pommy palms” into Facebook to view the page and click “Join group”.

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14 hours ago, Jonathan Haycock said:

More to the point, if you have access to the seed, grab some. This is a very attractive form of A. cunninghamiana and worth cultivating. 

I am raising Archontophoenix cunninghamiana illawarra and Archontophoenix cunninghamiana purpurea in my yard in pots. Could these (Madeira, Google Street View) be an A.c. illawarra or A.c. maxima or alexandrae, myolensis or tuckeri variety of Archontophoenix cunninghamiana?

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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"The Bangalow palm's trunk is swollen at the base and is marked by prominent leaf scars at regular intervals along its length. The crownshaft is around 140 cm (55 in) long and is green or purple green."

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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9 hours ago, SoulofthePlace said:

Could these (Madeira, Google Street View) be an A.c. illawarra or A.c. maxima or alexandrae, myolensis or tuckeri variety of Archontophoenix cunninghamiana?

I'm no botanist but:

Maxima, alaxandrae, myolensis and tuckeri are true species of Archontophoenix, from the northern end (Queensland) of the genus range, not varieties of A cunninghamiana.

'Illawarra' just refers to cunninghamiana from the marginally cooler Illawara region south of Sydney...I don't think many people in Australia really regard it as a separate form, or could identify it in a garden with 20 other varieties from throughout the species range...at least I couldn't!

As J. Haycock mentioned above, they are pretty variable and that's a nice form of cunninghamiana!

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South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

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