Palm ID, Greece, Peloponnes

[Janni]

Hello everybody,

I posted this in the travel section, but maybe it is not crowded enough there. So I`ll try it here. Can anybody identify this palm? My guess is that is is of the Chambeyronia Family.

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[Tomas]

4 hours ago, Janni said:

Hello everybody,

I posted this in the travel section, but maybe it is not crowded enough there. So I`ll try it here. Can anybody identify this palm? My guess is that is is of the Chambeyronia Family.

Here is the original post: 

 

Ptychosperma elegans?

[Phoenikakias]

Please try remembering (as picture is of very low quality) whether leaflet were acute and entire or praemorse (naturally).  Chambeyronia has acute leaflet tips.

[Janni]

3 hours ago, Tomas said:

Ptychosperma elegans?

That one really didn`t cross my mind, but now that you mentioned it, it might as well be possible. Although the rachis is more curved on the palm of my picture, than a ptychosperma would be.

[Janni]

3 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Please try remembering (as picture is of very low quality) whether leaflet were acute and entire or praemorse (naturally).  Chambeyronia has acute leaflet tips.

Sorry, I dind`t had much time to take a closer look. We were on a hurry to catch the ferry boat at Patras and then I saw that garden. I stopped at the side of the road and my wife thought I went completely crazy. I only took this low quality picture and realized later, that this palm wasn`t an Archontophoenix.

I really can`t tell how the leaflets look from up close.

[Janni]

If anyone still wants to try to identify this palm, streetview has updated its fotos. I still don‘t have a clue…

 

[idontknowhatnametuse]

Looks like a small Adonidia merrillii

[Tomas]

3 hours ago, idontknowhatnametuse said:

Looks like a small Adonidia merrillii

Both Ptychosperma elegans and Adonidia merryllii of that dimension were available in Italy some years ago, So I suppose in Greece too, but could Adonidia be grown there?

[idontknowhatnametuse]

10 minutes ago, Tomas said:

Both Ptychosperma elegans and Adonidia merryllii of that dimension were available in Italy some years ago, So I suppose in Greece too, but could Adonidia be grown there?

I don't think so, Adonidia are very tender. But ptychosperma can't handle temps under 0C for long time. Both species can only be successfully grown there with very good protection or a greenhouse.

[dalmatiansoap]

Arenga engleri

[Phoenikakias]

Leaflets seem too wide, fleshy and rigid for A engleri...

[Janni]

8 hours ago, idontknowhatnametuse said:

I don't think so, Adonidia are very tender. But ptychosperma can't handle temps under 0C for long time. Both species can only be successfully grown there with very good protection or a greenhouse.

If ptychosperma elegans can be grown in Genoa it shouldn‘t be any problem to grow it in western peloponnes (See here

 

[idontknowhatnametuse]

28 minutes ago, Janni said:

If ptychosperma elegans can be grown in Genoa it shouldn‘t be any problem to grow it in western peloponnes (See here

 

Is it a mediterranean-like climate? How often does it get below 0⁰C?