Albuquerque Palm Pics!!

[jwitt]

Underrepresented in the metro is the five points area with its nearly 15 year old Trachy and  nearly dozen washies.  On Goff near Bridge.  On a side note, there are 2 Rayado offspring very near(not pictured).  Today's pix.

 

[ABQPalms]

1 hour ago, jwitt said:

Underrepresented in the metro is the five points area with its nearly 15 year old Trachy and  nearly dozen washies.  On Goff near Bridge.  On a side note, there are 2 Rayado offspring very near(not pictured).  Today's pix.

 

I went immediately to Google Maps to see if I can find the Washies on street view.  Took me less then 5 minutes. @jwitt Nice find!

[jwitt]

9 hours ago, ABQPalms said:

I went immediately to Google Maps to see if I can find the Washies on street view.  Took me less then 5 minutes. @jwitt Nice find!

That Trachy is on the north side of bridge on Goff, and Google street view shows it there from 2011.  My pic is minutes from solar noon. Meaning that Trachy is a full sun model. Hence the non full head(lack of irrigation). Also minimal irrigation.  They trimmed it up. 

About 15 years old and less than 6 feet tall.

The first pic is my full sun Trachy, nearly nine feet tall, lawn irrigation, and nearly 9' tall.  Also about 15 years old((unprotected 2011 survivor).

[ABQPalms]

3 hours ago, jwitt said:

That Trachy is on the north side of bridge on Goff, and Google street view shows it there from 2011.  My pic is minutes from solar noon. Meaning that Trachy is a full sun model. Hence the non full head(lack of irrigation). Also minimal irrigation.  They trimmed it up. 

About 15 years old and less than 6 feet tall.

The first pic is my full sun Trachy, nearly nine feet tall, lawn irrigation, and nearly 9' tall.  Also about 15 years old((unprotected 2011 survivor).

I see it's on the south/east corner of the building too.  Maybe now that they painted it white it will get a little fuller as it won't have as high of radiation from a darker color. A filifera would be nice and full in this spot! That's if they don't trim it up so much. 

Your Trachy is looking nice and you can tell that it's properly irritated! Your Washy double is looking good too! Maybe soon you'll start to get that curve you are hoping for. 

[jwitt]

@ABQPalmsthanks for the compliments!

As far as the church Trachy. The white will actually increase the solar radiation on the Trachy.  I don't think it will ever achieve a full head(at least not green) as it grows so slow due to insufficient irrigation.  Those green leaves present are most likely just this year's growth. 

If they did not trim it, it would have a full head, just mostly brown.  Often confused as trachy sun damage,  Not really accurate. 

My take 

Dark colors absorb solar radiation and light colors reflect except around freezing. 

[jwitt]

Just wanted to point out the filifera at the church also.  I bring up the filifera as it will reach the water table if it achieves adulthood.  Easily overlooked.

On a side note, it is not the  Rayado offspring I mentioned in the area. 

[SeanK]

That filifera looks awful close to the building.

[ABQPalms]

5 hours ago, SeanK said:

That filifera looks awful close to the building.

You got me confused for a second. At first I thought you said it looked awful, lol. But then I read again and realized you meant really close to the wall. And yes, it probably has about two feet of clearance there. As it the trunk expands it will fill up that gap. But I've seen Filiferas grow in tighter spaces though. 

9 hours ago, jwitt said:

Just wanted to point out the filifera at the church also.  I bring up the filifera as it will reach the water table if it achieves adulthood.  Easily overlooked.

On a side note, it is not the  Rayado offspring I mentioned in the area. 

They must have recently planted that one. The 2022 street view doesn't show it. I'm thinking it was probably planted in spring 2023.

In the field to the north of the church is a Filifera that's been there for quite awhile too. At least since 2010 or so. It hasn't grown much (maybe a ft. and a half truck foot) since it looks like it probably doesn't get much irrigation. Did you notice it it is still there?

Here it is dating back to 2011 to 2022.

[ABQPalms]

Look at the trunk of this bad boy! Filifera, Indian School and Manaul area!

[ABQPalms]

These ones are starting to become monsters! They are growing really great!!

Constitution and Wyoming area. 

The last image is from 2022 street view. 

[jwitt]

@ABQPalmsI did not notice that other filifera in the Goff area. Will check it out next time I am down there. 

Not palm related, but got a friend down in that immediate area who has a some pistachio trees.  Currently enjoying some red Chile soaked pistachio nuts from five points!  

I lived down there in the past for nearly 15 years. About the same time the zoo had large eucalyptus. 

Edit: speaking of that  stunted filifera palm I have not seen.  That soil down there is crazy as it must be old riverbed.  So you have about 6" to a foot of dirt,  then nearly a foot or two of solid river rock, and underneath up to 2 foot of the nastiest caliche(concrete) I have ever seen. I bet that stunted filifera is in that.  My hunch.  If you break through that(about 4 feet down) plants thrive! Forgot about that soil. 

I have lived in Corrales and west of Rio Grande Blvd/Candelaria also, but the soil was not like that.  All 3 places were within a block or two of the present day river. Only the five points area had the soil I described.  

I see river rock in your pics!

[jwitt]

58 minutes ago, ABQPalms said:

Look at the trunk of this bad boy! Filifera, Indian School and Manaul area!

Purdy is the proper description!

[SailorBold]

8 hours ago, jwitt said:

Purdy is the proper description!

I really want to shave my filiferas.. I have a feeling it's going to be a slightly monumental task. 

[ABQPalms]

11 hours ago, jwitt said:

@ABQPalmsI did not notice that other filifera in the Goff area. Will check it out next time I am down there. 

Not palm related, but got a friend down in that immediate area who has a some pistachio trees.  Currently enjoying some red Chile soaked pistachio nuts from five points!  

I lived down there in the past for nearly 15 years. About the same time the zoo had large eucalyptus. 

Edit: speaking of that  stunted filifera palm I have not seen.  That soil down there is crazy as it must be old riverbed.  So you have about 6" to a foot of dirt,  then nearly a foot or two of solid river rock, and underneath up to 2 foot of the nastiest caliche(concrete) I have ever seen. I bet that stunted filifera is in that.  My hunch.  If you break through that(about 4 feet down) plants thrive! Forgot about that soil. 

I have lived in Corrales and west of Rio Grande Blvd/Candelaria also, but the soil was not like that.  All 3 places were within a block or two of the present day river. Only the five points area had the soil I described.  

I see river rock in your pics!

I love me some pistachios.  I've been wanting to go down to Alamogordo to check out Pistachio Land down there. 

You might be right about the soil in that area as you do have different layers of soil types. I grew up in the North Valley and we had big rocks about a foot down. Than clay about two feet. Wells used to be about 6-10 feet down. We used to have to fight a lot with Syberian Elm roots, while digging as well.

There is a Washy off of 4th street, just south of Ortega that has the same growth rate. It has been there for nearly 20 years and it's only grown about 2 and a half feet of trunk. 

Lack of irrigation, soil, fighting with other invasive roots for water or maybe just lack of nutrients? I know that temperature diurnals are much higher in the valley but with proper care they should get more growt rate to them. 

[ABQPalms]

3 hours ago, SailorBold said:

I really want to shave my filiferas.. I have a feeling it's going to be a slightly monumental task. 

If you want, this upcoming spring I can help you with that task. I've skinned a few in the Phoenix area. It's relatively easy once you get a good rhythm going. 

[SailorBold]

6 hours ago, ABQPalms said:

If you want, this upcoming spring I can help you with that task. I've skinned a few in the Phoenix area. It's relatively easy once you get a good rhythm going. 

I'd appreciate the help.. but i might want to do it now!! I need to do a clean up! 

[ABQPalms]

More Westside Palms!

[SailorBold]

Heres an nice Med..

[ABQPalms]

16 minutes ago, SailorBold said:

Heres an nice Med..

Nice and bushy!

[RFun]

On 10/9/2024 at 10:03 PM, jwitt said:

Underrepresented in the metro is the five points area with its nearly 15 year old Trachy and  nearly dozen washies.  On Goff near Bridge.  On a side note, there are 2 Rayado offspring very near(not pictured).  Today's pix.

 

All it takes is a little dedication and there you have a young palm grove in ABQ.  Nice!

[jwitt]

19 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Heres an nice Med..

Very nice!

What part of town?

I personally think that is the way to grow them here. 

As opposed to this

[ABQPalms]

4 hours ago, jwitt said:

Very nice!

What part of town?

I personally think that is the way to grow them here. 

As opposed to this

That would look really nice if the would've let it clump!

[SailorBold]

Agree..  I'm really liking the blue version.. it's hardier altho slower..well.. I don't water mine enough.. but great color!!

That clump is around Academy acres area..South of golf course.. northridge/wyoming..

[RFun]

5 hours ago, ABQPalms said:

That would look really nice if the would've let it clump!

I like the clump version a lot, but I also like the "3 pronged" look with the older ones.

[RFun]

Just now, RFun said:

I like the clump version a lot, but I also like the "3 pronged" look with the older ones.

It does look a lot like a Trachy when it isn't clumped.  I don't cut off any pups on mine.  However they are, I just leave them.

[ChrisA]

On 10/14/2024 at 11:03 AM, ABQPalms said:

More Westside Palms!

Where are these at?

[ABQPalms]

On 10/15/2024 at 7:27 PM, ChrisA said:

Where are these at?

Near Central and Bridge. Barberry St. and the other on Carfax Pl..

[ChrisA]

Thanks Jacob! I’ll have to check them out next time I’m around. 

[ABQPalms]

4 hours ago, ChrisA said:

Thanks Jacob! I’ll have to check them out next time I’m around. 

You're welcome Chris! A good source is the map that @Alex High put together a couple years back. It's getting updated frequently. 

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=13GDxHuOpdXaDEDEGTOq_IEuvQ6HbUA8&ll=34.969752858875296%2C-106.5999146344962&z=10

[ChrisA]

Ah! Right, I forgot about that spreadsheet.  Thanks for the link.  I’m loving how many wonderful palms are growing up in Albuquerque. Great place for filifera particularly now. 

Cheers!

[ABQPalms]

A couple more palm pics this rainy Albuquerque morning!

 

[RFun]

I never knew there were so many palms in ABQ without these pics.  Interesting stuff.  Thanks for documenting.

[SailorBold]

2 hours ago, RFun said:

I never knew there were so many palms in ABQ without these pics.  Interesting stuff.  Thanks for documenting.

It's cuspy... if Abq was 5f warmer it would prolly be a palm town..

[RFun]

Just now, SailorBold said:

It's cuspy... if Abq was 5f warmer it would prolly be a palm town..

Well, I have seen very palmy yards in places that are considered "cuspy".  I think if you get enough dedicated growers in the area, that will help things.  Lots of areas of California now have a lot of palms when they once didn't.  In your state, a look at Las Cruces or Alamagordo many years ago would also look different.

[ABQPalms]

8 hours ago, RFun said:

I never knew there were so many palms in ABQ without these pics.  Interesting stuff.  Thanks for documenting.

You see them popping up little by little around town. 

6 hours ago, SailorBold said:

It's cuspy... if Abq was 5f warmer it would prolly be a palm town..

Yes, 5f warmer would be a really good safe zone for us. We're getting there. We were a zone 7a not too long ago. 

6 hours ago, RFun said:

Well, I have seen very palmy yards in places that are considered "cuspy".  I think if you get enough dedicated growers in the area, that will help things.  Lots of areas of California now have a lot of palms when they once didn't.  In your state, a look at Las Cruces or Alamagordo many years ago would also look different.

Yes, we need a lot of people to get on the bandwagon here. The mentality of most people here is that palm trees don't grow here. That's true if you try to plant say queen palms (like a local restaurant did here one year). The thinking is that we've been cold for so long and they never been part of the landscape here. We jumped up a zone recently, even with the 2011 cold snap when we went down to -6f to -11f. Quite a few palms survived that event (mostly Trachycarpus Fortunei and Washingtonia Filifera/Filibusta). I have a gut feeling and faith that they'll start catching on more and more here in the future!

Who knows. Maybe when In-n-Out burger comes to town in 2027, they will plant their signature palms here. 🤞🤞 If so maybe more people/businesses will notice it and catch on!

[Palmerr]

On 10/6/2024 at 2:45 PM, ABQPalms said:

This one can possibly become a double!

 

I don't know how those palms survive there lol people in Albuquerque just know more about the palms in their yard and know its going to burn almost every year but they just cut all the dead fronds and there ya go! Though other people in other places iTs DeAd Just wait just wait ah look at that a new spear. How about that!

[SailorBold]

To me.. this looks like a very close to pure filifera..

[ABQPalms]

1 hour ago, SailorBold said:

To me.. this looks like a very close to pure filifera..

Yeah. You can't see the trunk in this pic but it's very thick! Plus the fronds are pretty Filiferish in size and color. 

I think I might have just came up with a new word "Filiferish". Lol

[ABQPalms]

16 hours ago, Palmerr said:

I don't know how those palms survive there lol people in Albuquerque just know more about the palms in their yard and know its going to burn almost every year but they just cut all the dead fronds and there ya go! Though other people in other places iTs DeAd Just wait just wait ah look at that a new spear. How about that!

We have a dry desert climate here vs a wet humid climate that keeps them dormant in the winter. Well drained soil and dry air are key to help them survive.

Plus the types of species that are best selected for our area. Washingtonia Filifera do best here. Then Filibusta. Trachycarpus Fortunei do good if you keep them irrigated during the summer months (they do and look best in the Pacific NW). A lot of people used to plant Washingtonia Robustas here about 15 years ago (including me) because big box stores used to sell them. They just aren't as hardy as the other Washingtonia species. 

[Palmerr]

Ok that makes sense yeah i remember hearing about that i guess i just forgot lol well thats cool! Yeah it makes sense California Fans are a zone hardier than robusta and a little hardier than filabusta.