Albuquerque Palm Pics!!

[RFun]

48 minutes ago, jwitt said:

The poster @Highdesertdaveactually has multiple filifera  within miles of of his house that survived double digit below zero(some, two nights in a row, followed by another zero event within ten months unprotected. 

Reread!

 

Yes, in the New Mexico State video they mention some established, mature Filiferas have survived -11F.  What you definitely learn from that video is that the hardiness ratings are only a guide and not concrete.  There is a lot of nuance involved.  In theory, most of the palms he examined from the severe cold should have been dead.  The incredible thing is that even some Washingtonia Robustas were putting out growth a couple of months after around -5F at Las Cruces.  Here are the videos:

https://youtu.be/81fxNatT2lQ?si=nITPGsLf2qa-yJwv

https://youtu.be/CCaICH_ZpLw?si=kbl9Re1_QB3x5Z38

 

[ABQPalms]

18 hours ago, Highdesertdave said:

Thanks for the compliment. My parents live in Henderson, Nevada and I visit once a month and always bring back palms or other cacti and plants you can’t find around town. If you do find them at Osuna they’ll be overpriced. And I really wished I knew the difference between California and Mexican palms. I see why scientific names are used. I thought they were the same just as Mediterranean/European are the same. But yes I think you are correct. I monitored the humidity and temp inside the bubble wrap and it was a toasty 80° during the winter days with a humidity of 80-90%. I think that the fronds yellowed and died once the wraps were taken off because of temperature and humidity shock. They look so green and healthy when I removed the wraps in late April. A week later yellow. I thought I might wrap them with the same material and leave the top open this year. 

Oh nice. I have family out in Vegas. I used to go three or four times a year but since my Grandfather passed away not so much.

The differences between California and Mexican Fan Palms: 

1. Trunk. California Fan Palms have a thick trunk and grow straight up for the most part. Mexican Fan Palms have a thin trunk and tend to curve the taller it grows.

2. Fronds. Mexican Fan fronds are dark green and glossy. The tips tend to fold downward. California Fan fronds are lighter green/grayish and are not glossy and stiff. 

3. Petioles. Mexican Fan petioles have a red streak on the bottom side and have numerous thorns. California Fan petioles are pure green and lack the amount of thorns in them. 

4. Crowns. California Fan Palms are full and wide while Mexican Fans aren't as big.

Hybrids have characteristics of both depending on which patent is dominant. 

The way you can tell the difference when young too is that California Fan Palms have a lot of white hair-like fibers in their fronds while Mexican Fans not so much. 

Mexican Fan Palms can tolerate higher humidity than California Fans but 80-90% is quite high and may cause them to get rot if it's prolonged (especially if it got shocked from removal). April may or may not be too late to unwrap them as we are for the most part done with the coldest of cold temps by then. End of March or early April sould do the trick in my opinion as it will give them some time to adjust to the changing of season. 

I might have missed a few differences between the two subspecies but that's a couple of things to look for. 

 

[ABQPalms]

11 hours ago, jwitt said:

@Highdesertdave

Since you got the LV connection, you could get some seeds from the native Moapa groves. Tis the season for seed collection! Out by Overton up to warm springs. 

 

I had a feeling you would mention the Moape Groves. Even the ones up the highway at Coyote Springs should be pretty hardy as well.

[ABQPalms]

5 minutes ago, ABQPalms said:

I had a feeling you would mention the Moape Groves. Even the ones up the highway at Coyote Springs should be pretty hardy as well.

@jwitt Coyote Springs, NV.

NV-168, Moapa, NV 89025

[jwitt]

14 minutes ago, ABQPalms said:

I had a feeling you would mention the Moape Groves. Even the ones up the highway at Coyote Springs should be pretty hardy as well.

The other side of the mountain(east from Coyote springs)is the head waters(warm springs )of the moapa valley(muddy river.)

Coyote springs is polluted........robusta

[ABQPalms]

2 minutes ago, jwitt said:

The other side of the mountain(east from Coyote springs)is the head waters(warm springs )of the moapa valley(muddy river.)

Coyote springs is polluted........robusta

Oh okay. Good to know. Yeah I know about the ones at the muddy river.  I had thought had Coyote Springs was somewhat secluded as well. But yeah for a purebred, the best bet would be by the Warm Springs Recreation Camp.

[jwitt]

 

[Highdesertdave]

On 10/28/2024 at 4:43 PM, SailorBold said:

Heres my filifera triplet..

That is a beautiful yard!!! And I know this is a palm-only forum, but I have to ask is that a trichocereus grandiflora cacti?! And if it is, are you in Albuquerque? I have a very large trichocereus and it’s been a workout putting it out in the sun then taking it back into my greenhouse. I’d love to plant it in ground possibly with minimal winterization. I wrap my San Pedros with clear bubble wrap so it can receive winter sun. But very beautiful yard!!

[Highdesertdave]

3 hours ago, ABQPalms said:

Oh nice. I have family out in Vegas. I used to go three or four times a year but since my Grandfather passed away not so much.

The differences between California and Mexican Fan Palms: 

1. Trunk. California Fan Palms have a thick trunk and grow straight up for the most part. Mexican Fan Palms have a thin trunk and tend to curve the taller it grows.

2. Fronds. Mexican Fan fronds are dark green and glossy. The tips tend to fold downward. California Fan fronds are lighter green/grayish and are not glossy and stiff. 

3. Petioles. Mexican Fan petioles have a red streak on the bottom side and have numerous thorns. California Fan petioles are pure green and lack the amount of thorns in them. 

4. Crowns. California Fan Palms are full and wide while Mexican Fans aren't as big.

Hybrids have characteristics of both depending on which patent is dominant. 

The way you can tell the difference when young too is that California Fan Palms have a lot of white hair-like fibers in their fronds while Mexican Fans not so much. 

Mexican Fan Palms can tolerate higher humidity than California Fans but 80-90% is quite high and may cause them to get rot if it's prolonged (especially if it got shocked from removal). April may or may not be too late to unwrap them as we are for the most part done with the coldest of cold temps by then. End of March or early April sould do the trick in my opinion as it will give them some time to adjust to the changing of season. 

I might have missed a few differences between the two subspecies but that's a couple of things to look for. 

 

See……I feel like I have a hybrid from reading your info. The trunks on mine are very fat for their height. The trunk literally quadrupled in size over this spring and summer. Especially the one receiving overflow pond water. That one has grown amazingly fast. I have red petioles and obnoxious red spines BUT I also get the white hairs all over the frond tips as they begin to open… And yes, 80-90 humidity is probably a lot for them. When I open the wraps this past spring, the lower fronds that had been tight against the wraps had black mold spots, the rest of the fronds were healthy dark green still. But they turned yellow in a week and by late spring I was out in the yard cutting them all off because they had turned brown. I think out of 7 fronds, I was left with 2. All my palm vigorously regrew over the summer. 

[Highdesertdave]

5 hours ago, jwitt said:

The poster @Highdesertdaveactually has multiple filifera  within miles of of his house that survived double digit below zero(some, two nights in a row, followed by another zero event within ten months unprotected. 

Reread!

 

I know of two down on 550 and Enchanted Hills blvd near a gravel sales yard. I was actually picking up gravel and made a wrong turn and saw two, I think, filiferas. They could’ve been Trachys also because of how slender they were. I know the Bernalillo Walmart sold Windmills almost 10 years ago. They weren’t very healthy. The owners didn’t really pick a sunny spot for them, but they were alive and about 7ft tall. Not much foliage and had very scrawny trunks. Maybe 3 or 4 small fronds on each. There were big cottonwoods hanging over them blocking a lot of sunlight. If I go that way I’ll try to take a photo inconspicuously. 

[jwitt]

5 hours ago, RFun said:

Yes, in the New Mexico State video they mention some established, mature Filiferas have survived -11F.  What you definitely learn from that video is that the hardiness ratings are only a guide and not concrete.  There is a lot of nuance involved.  In theory, most of the palms he examined from the severe cold should have been dead.  The incredible thing is that even some Washingtonia Robustas were putting out growth a couple of months after around -5F at Las Cruces.  Here are the videos:

https://youtu.be/81fxNatT2lQ?si=nITPGsLf2qa-yJwv

https://youtu.be/CCaICH_ZpLw?si=kbl9Re1_QB3x5Z38

 

I think he is referencing the Corrales filifera, which are 4-5 miles from Enchanted hills. 

Here is a 2016 pic(5years) after the 2011 event of surviving Las Cruces robusta.  I do remember from that time of reports of increased survival rates of robusta in irrigated conditions(lawns, etc).  

All pics are from 2016-5 years post event(except the last surprise shot from 2017)

Corrales(back to back nights of -11f) and below zero ten months later

Lac Cruces(-5f)

Alamogordo (back to back nights of -10

And a bonus famous filifera trifecta 5/2017 shot- @SailorBold that's some amazing growth! 7 years ago, incredible! Almost looks like a little butia upfront!

[Highdesertdave]

16 hours ago, jwitt said:

@Highdesertdave

Since you got the LV connection, you could get some seeds from the native Moapa groves. Tis the season for seed collection! Out by Overton up to warm springs. 

 

I am actually flying there this weekend and again the following weekend to help my parents install an automatic drip system for their outdoor container plants before they go on vacation so I will have to look into that place. I never thought about growing from seed before just because the palms at the Home Depot and Lowe’s out there are fairly inexpensive. $19 for a nice 3 footer Robusta and Filifera…now that I know there’s actually a big difference between the two haha. 

[jwitt]

14 minutes ago, Highdesertdave said:

I am actually flying there this weekend and again the following weekend to help my parents install an automatic drip system for their outdoor container plants before they go on vacation so I will have to look into that place. I never thought about growing from seed before just because the palms at the Home Depot and Lowe’s out there are fairly inexpensive. $19 for a nice 3 footer Robusta and Filifera…now that I know there’s actually a big difference between the two haha. 

It's a 56 minute drive to the address in my post(1984 warm springs) from downtown LV.  Hint, hint, hint, 

Get me some seeds(ripe now!) and I can plant in my yard so I can show you.  

Joking aside, they are ripe now.  You can direct sow in spring.  You will actually have a larger healthier palm 5-10 years from now than if you go the potted route.  Also "pure" filifera seed are good trading items here on the board, or great holiday presents for fellow posters. 

You can also grow them in pots.  Great results planted when a yearling(strap leaf) also. 

You want a long pole. A cheap telescoping fishing rod make a great travel companion on airplanes.

Seeds are cheap!

I got the fishing rod if you want.  

[Highdesertdave]

26 minutes ago, jwitt said:

It's a 56 minute drive to the address in my post(1984 warm springs) from downtown LV.  Hint, hint, hint, 

Get me some seeds(ripe now!) and I can plant in my yard so I can show you.  

Joking aside, they are ripe now.  You can direct sow in spring.  You will actually have a larger healthier palm 5-10 years from now than if you go the potted route.  Also "pure" filifera seed are good trading items here on the board, or great holiday presents for fellow posters. 

You can also grow them in pots.  Great results planted when a yearling(strap leaf) also. 

You want a long pole. A cheap telescoping fishing rod make a great travel companion on airplanes.

Seeds are cheap!

I got the fishing rod if you want.  

Haha I am a very avid fisherman. I am a hoarder of of fly rods and spin rods. I am leaving this Friday and will be back Sunday. Most likely won’t have time to head out that way. BUT my parents live on a golf course with hundreds of palms that drop their seeds everywhere. I just need to figure out if they are filifera or robustas. 

[jwitt]

4 hours ago, Highdesertdave said:

Haha I am a very avid fisherman. I am a hoarder of of fly rods and spin rods. I am leaving this Friday and will be back Sunday. Most likely won’t have time to head out that way. BUT my parents live on a golf course with hundreds of palms that drop their seeds everywhere. I just need to figure out if they are filifera or robustas. 

They (robusta/filifera/hybrid)interbreed and you may not know what you have until you have a 10-15 year old palm. 

 

[SailorBold]

10 hours ago, Highdesertdave said:

That is a beautiful yard!!! And I know this is a palm-only forum, but I have to ask is that a trichocereus grandiflora cacti?! And if it is, are you in Albuquerque? I have a very large trichocereus and it’s been a workout putting it out in the sun then taking it back into my greenhouse. I’d love to plant it in ground possibly with minimal winterization. I wrap my San Pedros with clear bubble wrap so it can receive winter sun. But very beautiful yard!!

Thank you..! Im in Rio.. corrales heights neighborhood...It's a Tricocereus Terscheckii.. (sp.).. the argentine saguaro..  I do have a grandiflora in ground.. and a flying saucer hybrid.. and a Tricho pasacana.. They have done well for me. I protected with a trash can when smaller..during coldest parts of winter.. they do alright. I'll prolly try to protect if we go below 10 depending on duration...  Don't water it if you plant it out..!

Prolly full sun.. southern exposure if you can.. is best.. I've always wanted to try a san pedro!

[ABQPalms]

21 hours ago, Highdesertdave said:

See……I feel like I have a hybrid from reading your info. The trunks on mine are very fat for their height. The trunk literally quadrupled in size over this spring and summer. Especially the one receiving overflow pond water. That one has grown amazingly fast. I have red petioles and obnoxious red spines BUT I also get the white hairs all over the frond tips as they begin to open… And yes, 80-90 humidity is probably a lot for them. When I open the wraps this past spring, the lower fronds that had been tight against the wraps had black mold spots, the rest of the fronds were healthy dark green still. But they turned yellow in a week and by late spring I was out in the yard cutting them all off because they had turned brown. I think out of 7 fronds, I was left with 2. All my palm vigorously regrew over the summer. 

I think another thing to look at too is that Robusta trunks tend to be flared at the base then get skinny to the crown. I don't see it a whole lot on yours, but they have a reddish hue. Robustas do have a few threads on them just not as much as Filiferas do. 

I would definitely recommend cutting down on the humidity just so they don't get a fungus. I think in order for them to adapt is to let them get used to the desert climate from which their native to. If you purchased them from Vegas, chances are they are from a very dry source. In my humble opinion, I believe they would benefit from going dormant/hibernation just to get them used to our large diurnal temperatures. Then you can wrap them up when you feel the time is right. Like I said I'm not a firm believer in wrapping (because of condensation) but Christmas lights or heating cable and burlap is probably best for humidity control. It would give them the best chance at survival if an arctic event occurs. You may get a brown crown (Robusta dominant) but having less humidity reduces the chances of spear pull. As you can tell from this past growing season for you is that new fronds grow back quickly. 

Just a little bit of my two cents. 

[ABQPalms]

21 hours ago, Highdesertdave said:

I know of two down on 550 and Enchanted Hills blvd near a gravel sales yard. I was actually picking up gravel and made a wrong turn and saw two, I think, filiferas. They could’ve been Trachys also because of how slender they were. I know the Bernalillo Walmart sold Windmills almost 10 years ago. They weren’t very healthy. The owners didn’t really pick a sunny spot for them, but they were alive and about 7ft tall. Not much foliage and had very scrawny trunks. Maybe 3 or 4 small fronds on each. There were big cottonwoods hanging over them blocking a lot of sunlight. If I go that way I’ll try to take a photo inconspicuously. 

An easy way to tell is they are Windmills is that the trunks have dark brown fibers covering them. Also their trunks are skinner on the base than they are at the top. The crowns on them tend not to be that full here as well. 

[ABQPalms]

20 hours ago, jwitt said:

Lac Cruces(-5f)

 

 

I've stayed at a hotel next door to the Ramada before 2011 and again after (I'm thinking May of 2012). I'll tell you I was amazed to see them still there and alive. Very impressive!

[SailorBold]

Black Arroyo.. there are others in this area...

[ABQPalms]

22 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Black Arroyo.. there are others in this area...

Do you think we have some builders putting in some use of palm trees now? I'm going to have to check them out. 

[Highdesertdave]

On 10/30/2024 at 8:04 AM, SailorBold said:

Thank you..! Im in Rio.. corrales heights neighborhood...It's a Tricocereus Terscheckii.. (sp.).. the argentine saguaro..  I do have a grandiflora in ground.. and a flying saucer hybrid.. and a Tricho pasacana.. They have done well for me. I protected with a trash can when smaller..during coldest parts of winter.. they do alright. I'll prolly try to protect if we go below 10 depending on duration...  Don't water it if you plant it out..!

Prolly full sun.. southern exposure if you can.. is best.. I've always wanted to try a san pedro!

Man that is gorgeous. Especially the last photo with the coverage of pink blossoms. I just went ahead and ordered a Tricocereus Terscheckii from Etsy. That’s good to know I can grow the grandiflora outdoors. I currently put clear storage totes over my golden barrels and my sago palm. Sago palm is a first year experiment. My barrels have been growing for two years now. If I get pups on my San Pedro this year I can propagate one for you if you want to try them. I had 3 pups last year and they grew fast over the summer. 
 

 

I’m currently at my boarding gate at the Sunport but I found a security cam shot of the “Arizona Desert” part of my backyard. You can see the San Pedro in the background and the barrels. The smaller Robusta was planted about 3 months ago.

[jwitt]

At least we can "expect" a warm winter!

Meanwhile......

[ABQPalms]

41 minutes ago, jwitt said:

At least we can "expect" a warm winter!

Meanwhile......

After one of the warmest Octobers on record (would've been the warmest if it weren't for the cold snap the last two days) someone flicked on the winter switch here in the Albuquerque area. I had to prune back my Mulberry tree (still full with green leaves) this morning just to get out of my driveway. I would've taken pictures of it but I was just too occupied getting it done so I can to work. 

[ChrisA]

Looks like you’ve got some decent freezes coming but nothing the palms can’t handle (if it only gets down to 20). The next 10 days show a nice warming trend and sun! It’ll soon be a memory.  I always knocked the snow off the fronds when I lived there because it can break the petiole and I’ve found the snow would damage the fronds pretty bad if it sat on there for an extended period of time.

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, ChrisA said:

Looks like you’ve got some decent freezes coming but nothing the palms can’t handle (if it only gets down to 20). The next 10 days show a nice warming trend and sun! It’ll soon be a memory.  I always knocked the snow off the fronds when I lived there because it can break the petiole and I’ve found the snow would damage the fronds pretty bad if it sat on there for an extended period of time.

It was a pre snow knock off picture! 

Good summation on why to knock it off!

I think some may have some issues if their palms are not hardened off.  We will see. 

[ChrisA]

I was wondering about your last statement too.  It’s been a warm fall as you said and likely the palms are still growing.  Maybe some cloud cover will stick around to keep the night temps from dropping too much.  Hopefully no teens.

[jwitt]

2 hours ago, ChrisA said:

I was wondering about your last statement too.  It’s been a warm fall as you said and likely the palms are still growing.  Maybe some cloud cover will stick around to keep the night temps from dropping too much.  Hopefully no teens.

I meant to do a post in my miracles post about hardening off palms, at least here in this climate. 

I think it really relates to young and unestablished palms in our borderline climate.

I always state that I stop watering at balloon fiesta( first week of October). Anyways my year old seedlings kind of show it with some yellowing of the older leaves.  Long story short,  I believe this induced drought, forces them into a suspended state( hibernation) and better prepares them for winter. 

I mention this as I have seen ABQ see well below zero in November before.  Hopefully not this year, or any year tho. 

I was tempted to water tho as October was warm and actually hot in the beginning. Way more so here than the sunport.

[ABQPalms]

5 hours ago, ChrisA said:

Looks like you’ve got some decent freezes coming but nothing the palms can’t handle (if it only gets down to 20). The next 10 days show a nice warming trend and sun! It’ll soon be a memory.  I always knocked the snow off the fronds when I lived there because it can break the petiole and I’ve found the snow would damage the fronds pretty bad if it sat on there for an extended period of time.

They say that snow helps with insolation. That may be true if your from a place that has it sticking around for awhile and/or have other types of plants besides palms. Here since it melts so quick, might as well brush them off right away so there is less time to dry them out quicker and you don't have excessive water going into the crown when they do thaw out. Especially with the younger (non-established) palms that may be prone to rot. 

[ABQPalms]

2 hours ago, jwitt said:

I meant to do a post in my miracles post about hardening off palms, at least here in this climate. 

I think it really relates to young and unestablished palms in our borderline climate.

I always state that I stop watering at balloon fiesta( first week of October). Anyways my year old seedlings kind of show it with some yellowing of the older leaves.  Long story short,  I believe this induced drought, forces them into a suspended state( hibernation) and better prepares them for winter. 

I mention this as I have seen ABQ see well below zero in November before.  Hopefully not this year, or any year tho. 

I was tempted to water tho as October was warm and actually hot in the beginning. Way more so here than the sunport.

This ^^^ is a the prefect strategy to go by.  Balloon Fiesta time is right around the end of Monsoon season here and therefore gives the palms a good amount of time to start going into dormancy. 

[Desert DAC]

On 10/2/2024 at 6:39 PM, SailorBold said:

Oh wow.. lol..  no i didnt...! Thats interesting.  Really not the best palm for here.. maybe 3 out of 20 winters they wont damage.. but it looks like they are recovering better and better each year.. 

Liking for the fact they are still there - that's crazy. Unless the owners spend $$ covering and heating the crowns and maybe trunks, like I saw someone in Poland doing that.

[Palmerr]

On 11/7/2024 at 11:10 AM, jwitt said:

At least we can "expect" a warm winter!

Meanwhile......

Hey just saying this is an average outlook for long term temps this doesnt mean that the annual low will be warmer too! we were in decently above average -18 we got in 2015 that was an above avg temp year. Just saying. This is for whole season this doesnt mean the low will be warm too. (This is actually bad cause these palms need to get a head start and warmer than avg temps if there is a bad cold snap in that 50 degrees or higher period then yup say bye to your palms forever. thats also what made DFW 21 so bad above avg temps for a bit then NOPE -2 or something and kiled a ton only the cold hardy crosses survived. sad day. anyways yeah be carefulll!! 

[jwitt]

54 minutes ago, Palmerr said:

Hey just saying this is an average outlook for long term temps this doesnt mean that the annual low will be warmer too! we were in decently above average -18 we got in 2015 that was an above avg temp year. Just saying. This is for whole season this doesnt mean the low will be warm too. (This is actually bad cause these palms need to get a head start and warmer than avg temps if there is a bad cold snap in that 50 degrees or higher period then yup say bye to your palms forever. thats also what made DFW 21 so bad above avg temps for a bit then NOPE -2 or something and kiled a ton only the cold hardy crosses survived. sad day. anyways yeah be carefulll!! 

2 weeks into this NOAA forecast we are abnormally below averages. 

That said, I was being sarcastic with my post. 

Yes, the "21" winter in DFW(Highland Park )was a zone ten (other than 2 nights at 29f) til that February event. Few know that. 

[Palmerr]

9 hours ago, jwitt said:

2 weeks into this NOAA forecast we are abnormally below averages. 

That said, I was being sarcastic with my post. 

Yes, the "21" winter in DFW(Highland Park )was a zone ten (other than 2 nights at 29f) til that February event. Few know that. 

well i know you were being sarcastic lol just trying to share about lows.

[ABQPalms]

10 hours ago, Desert DAC said:

Liking for the fact they are still there - that's crazy. Unless the owners spend $$ covering and heating the crowns and maybe trunks, like I saw someone in Poland doing that.

No. No protection on these. And they are in one of the colder parts of town too. 

[jwitt]

57 minutes ago, ABQPalms said:

No. No protection on these. And they are in one of the colder parts of town too. 

I did measure 116f using a sling psychrometer very close (Irving/eagle ranch) in the 1980's.  The hottest I had ever seen in the metro.  Just a side note. 

So cold and hot for the metro.  Corrales was 109f this summer. 

[ABQPalms]

2 hours ago, jwitt said:

I did measure 116f using a sling psychrometer very close (Irving/eagle ranch) in the 1980's.  The hottest I had ever seen in the metro.  Just a side note. 

So cold and hot for the metro.  Corrales was 109f this summer. 

Yes. I should've phrased it differently. It's in one of the coldest part of town when it comes to lows. It is also one of the hottest when it comes to highs. @Palmerr with that said the Albuquerque area has a big diurnal temperature range on average then say Dallas or Lexington, KY. And we do for the most part have a gradual swing in seasons, which helps promote dormancy. With that, when we do get hit with a rare arctic blast, there's already been somewhat of a chill in the air for some time (at least with lows). And then the amount of sunshine and dry air we get then in return helps with the recovery process, so the palms won't go into shock. Even if we only rebound to the 30f's for a day or two after a winter storm, the sun is still shining and the snow has been melted and the ground is already starting to dry out within a couple hours after the event. 

[jwitt]

@ABQPalms I really only point out that 116f as a data point. I measured temperatures all over the metro during my past tenor.  There are some things about the westside not really known since it truly has been recently developed for the most part. 

I believe there are some microclimates around the metro with an unrealized potential.  

And then there is the hardiness zone map showing double eagle as a 7b.  I bet it has yet to see a 7b year!

[Palmerr]

2 hours ago, ABQPalms said:

Yes. I should've phrased it differently. It's in one of the coldest part of town when it comes to lows. It is also one of the hottest when it comes to highs. @Palmerr with that said the Albuquerque area has a big diurnal temperature range on average then say Dallas or Lexington, KY. And we do for the most part have a gradual swing in seasons, which helps promote dormancy. With that, when we do get hit with a rare arctic blast, there's already been somewhat of a chill in the air for some time (at least with lows). And then the amount of sunshine and dry air we get then in return helps with the recovery process, so the palms won't go into shock. Even if we only rebound to the 30f's for a day or two after a winter storm, the sun is still shining and the snow has been melted and the ground is already starting to dry out within a couple hours after the event. 

Ok thanks for telling me that i understand how it is there now!

[ABQPalms]

23 hours ago, jwitt said:

@ABQPalms I really only point out that 116f as a data point. I measured temperatures all over the metro during my past tenor.  There are some things about the westside not really known since it truly has been recently developed for the most part. 

I believe there are some microclimates around the metro with an unrealized potential.  

And then there is the hardiness zone map showing double eagle as a 7b.  I bet it has yet to see a 7b year!

Yeah there is missing data for Double Eagle Airport as Wunderground has a lot of zeros in it's history. If only they had it on weather.gov, it would be a more reliable source. Plus it's out in the middle of nowhere so you can't get a real idea of what it's like in the more developed areas of the Westside. Rio Rancho 2 would be the go to for the area. If only they had a reliable weather station with data in the Cottonwood Mall area. Do you know where the Corrales station is at?