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Fall 2024: What did you plant this week?


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BuXJuF2

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Added some sun protection just in case…

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Good idea with the shade cloth especially with the reflective white rock . From what I understand , these are pretty hardy palms but those are really young . Harry

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I pushed a few Archontophoenix Cunninghamiana seeds in the ground . I also planted a few A. Pupurae and Maxima palms that were given to me . Harry

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I planted two Butia odorata, one is green and one is blue. Picked these up for a real deal based on a tip from @Robert Cade RossPlus this awesome Sabal uresana that is 6’ tall.  I’ll be planting its twin in the next couple of days. Sabals are courtesy of @Meangreen94z

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With a predicted and pronounced la niña winter forecast, my plans are in limbo right now.

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  On 10/3/2024 at 4:53 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

With a predicted and pronounced la niña winter forecast, my plans are in limbo right now.

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I'd be holding off too, if I were still in the PNW.  They're calling for a bad winter.

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  On 10/2/2024 at 11:54 PM, Dwarf Fan said:

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I hope you got one with hybrid vigor!  🤞  I had a BxJ F2 that grew slowly and looked exactly like a regular Butia.  From what I understand about genetics (see below) there's a 50% chance of your seedling resembling the parent BxJ F1, 25% chance it resembles Jubaea and 25% chance it resembles Butia.  Either way you'll end up with a nice palm but it might take awhile.

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Jon Sunder

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Not planted this week but within the past 3 weeks:

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Acrocomia totai 

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Senna alata about to flower.

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@Fusca the second plant looks to be Senna alata?  I planted around May, and by the end of August it was 10 feet tall and probably 12 feet wide.  I've never seen anything grow so fast.  We got a light rain and every branch broke at the trunk and the trunk broke in half.  It grew too big too fast and the wood was very weak.  Beautiful plant, and mine was in full flower.  I don't know if regular trimming would help prevent that.

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I think I may be backing off on my fall plantings this year.   

The winter here looks like it's shaping up to be hotter than normal, though that's not what has me concerned.  Looks like the next several months are going to be very dry.  The weather pattern is somewhat reminiscent of the 2007 / 2008 winter.   That was the start of the bad 2008 drought.  It started at the end of the 2007 summer and went into middle of 2009. 

I am obviously pessimistic that Central TX is heading back into its next drought and that it may have just started.

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This week I put this Meyer lemon tree in the ground 
I know it's not ideal time to put it in the ground but I couldn't help myself so I just put it in. And I will be protecting over the winter nothing too crazy. ( I grew this tree from a seed)

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  On 10/3/2024 at 6:43 PM, Chester B said:

@Fusca the second plant looks to be Senna alata?  I planted around May, and by the end of August it was 10 feet tall and probably 12 feet wide.  I've never seen anything grow so fast.  We got a light rain and every branch broke at the trunk and the trunk broke in half.  It grew too big too fast and the wood was very weak.  Beautiful plant, and mine was in full flower.  I don't know if regular trimming would help prevent that.

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Yes Senna alata grow quite fast!  Mine was grown from seed this past spring.  It's not in great soil and just planted a few weeks ago.  It seems to be settled in now so it should take off.  It's just now starting to flower.  

@PaPalmTrees I have grown a lot of citrus from seed and most come true from seed but Meyers Lemon might be one that doesn't.  Why not grow it in a container?  They do very well as patio plants in pots and stay relatively small.  It'll produce numerous thorns on the trunk and branches.

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Jon Sunder

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  On 10/3/2024 at 8:18 PM, Fusca said:

Yes Senna alata grow quite fast!  Mine was grown from seed this past spring.  It's not in great soil and just planted a few weeks ago.  It seems to be settled in now so it should take off.  It's just now starting to flower.  

@PaPalmTrees I have grown a lot of citrus from seed and most come true from seed but Meyers Lemon might be one that doesn't.  Why not grow it in a container?  They do very well as patio plants in pots and stay relatively small.  It'll produce numerous thorns on the trunk and branches.

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I actually already have a big Meyer lemon tree in a pot that has produce lemons I just put this one in the ground for a lil experiment to see how it grows.
 

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Lows in the past couple years.2025 6℉, 2024 1℉, 2023 1℉, 2022 -4℉, 2021 7℉, 2020 10℉, 2019 -5℉, 2018 0℉, 2017 4℉, 2016 8℉, 2015 -1℉, 2014 -4℉, 2013 8℉, 2012 10℉, 2011 3℉ 2010 6℉, 2009 -5℉, 2008 5℉, 2007 1℉, 2006 8℉, 2005 3℉, 2004 0℉ 2003 5℉, 2002 3℉, 2001 6℉, 2000 0℉,

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  On 10/3/2024 at 6:23 PM, Fusca said:

I hope you got one with hybrid vigor!  🤞  I had a BxJ F2 that grew slowly and looked exactly like a regular Butia.  From what I understand about genetics (see below) there's a 50% chance of your seedling resembling the parent BxJ F1, 25% chance it resembles Jubaea and 25% chance it resembles Butia.  Either way you'll end up with a nice palm but it might take awhile.

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Thanks 🤞 and appreciate the info graphic, it is a nice visual, I have a little bit of hybrid knowledge but a bit rusty.

I know hybrids can be like a box of chocolates… oh well coin flip odds could be worse.

Question, F1s, while variable will still result in more of an (Rr) off spring result correct? NO full single parental expression usually happens with an F1 is that accurate?

  On 10/3/2024 at 3:18 AM, Harry’s Palms said:

Good idea with the shade cloth especially with the reflective white rock . From what I understand , these are pretty hardy palms but those are really young . Harry

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Yes Texas sun is brutal even this time of year I have fried enough palms to know to play it safe at this point.

I have a Trachycarpus nanus on the way hopefully nematodes in the beach sand here don’t kill it… so far my Waggie & Bulgaria are still alive. 🤞

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  On 10/3/2024 at 5:08 PM, Chester B said:

I'd be holding off too, if I were still in the PNW.  They're calling for a bad winter.

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What are you hearing? What's a good source for long term forecasts? 

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  On 10/4/2024 at 5:46 AM, BayAndroid said:

What are you hearing? What's a good source for long term forecasts? 

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I've seen multiple long term winter forecasts, in general news articles and YouTube videos from weather people discussing predictions from NOAA and such.

PNW is supposed to be colder and wetter than normal.  Great Lakes region cold and snowy.  Down here in South Texas warmer and dryer than normal.  The rest, I can't remember.

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  On 10/4/2024 at 3:55 AM, Dwarf Fan said:

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Question, F1s, while variable will still result in more of an (Rr) off spring result correct? NO full single parental expression usually happens with an F1 is that accurate?

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That sounds about right.  I wouldn't expect 100% of one parent's visible traits to be passed down to any F1 hybrid child but I wouldn't be surprised if 75-80% was possible.

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Jon Sunder

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  On 10/4/2024 at 6:59 PM, Fusca said:

That sounds about right.  I wouldn't expect 100% of one parent's visible traits to be passed down to any F1 hybrid child but I wouldn't be surprised if 75-80% was possible.

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^^^ This sounds like what I remember and have seen first hand in F1 hybrids as well.

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The weather was so nice I had to get out and plant a few things that shouldn't be too risky this late in the year.

First, on the North Northeast side of my home I planted a little waggie x fortunei:

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Next, I planted my forever sulking Trachycarpus takil. I dug it up last winter in Oklahoma after I learned I would be moving to Texas. I didn't see the point of trying to protect it from another below 0F winter event in OK when I was going to have to dig it up sooner or later for the move. I dug two up and both sat without growing indoors over the winter or outdoors in the spring. The other eventually spear pulled and died around the end of June. This one still has a solid spear, but not growing. Hopefully it pulls through:

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I also planted my Chamaerops (cerifera) today. It has huge roots for its small size. It got frozen back twice about five years apart in Oklahoma. Now it can finally put on some size and keep it:

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Lastly, I put a little Sabal Causiarum in the ground. It is the only fall planting that would have probably been better in spring. It is small enough to be covered easily if we have a bad winter though. We will see if causiarum is hardy in the San Antonio area:

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  On 10/5/2024 at 8:22 PM, Ben G. said:

Lastly, I put a little Sabal Causiarum in the ground. It is the only fall planting that would have probably been better in spring. It is small enough to be covered easily if we have a bad winter though. We will see if causiarum is hardy in the San Antonio area:

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No question about that - it's pretty cold hardy and can handle the high heat.  There was a huge trunking Sabal causiarum at the SA Botanical Garden outside of the Desert Pavilion with at least 15' of trunk.  It survived 9°F in February 2021 but it was taken out because it wasn't attractive and wasn't given enough time to recover.  Sabal mexicana next to it fared much better with just minimal damage.

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Jon Sunder

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  On 10/5/2024 at 9:08 PM, Fusca said:

No question about that - it's pretty cold hardy and can handle the high heat.  There was a huge trunking Sabal causiarum at the SA Botanical Garden outside of the Desert Pavilion with at least 15' of trunk.  It survived 9°F in February 2021 but it was taken out because it wasn't attractive and wasn't given enough time to recover.  Sabal mexicana next to it fared much better with just minimal damage.

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That's good to hear. I planned for just that kind of potential bad winter. From the patio by the pool, the causiarm is somewhat obscured by a live oak and my backyard shed. I have two mexicanas planted along the same fence line alternating with loquats. So, I hope to create a nice evergreen screen. If the causiarum gets burned (needs time to recover), it won't be in the center of any views from the house or pool.

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Second Sabal uresana in the ground. Just over 6 feet to the top of the fronds. 

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  On 10/5/2024 at 9:44 PM, Chester B said:

Second Sabal uresana in the ground. Just over 6 feet to the top of the fronds. 

 

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Those are going to look amazing as they grow. Uresanas are beautiful. I probably like Brahea armata a little more, but they are rare, expensive, and slow. 

I know you have Bismarkia as well, so you have a nice collection of silver palms.

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  On 10/5/2024 at 10:35 PM, Ben G. said:

Those are going to look amazing as they grow. Uresanas are beautiful. I probably like Brahea armata a little more, but they are rare, expensive, and slow. 

I know you have Bismarkia as well, so you have a nice collection of silver palms.

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I germinated Brahea armata and Clara seeds as well, but it’s going to be a long time waiting on those. 

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These should silver up as they establish, although maybe slightly less in a wet humid climate. Here is the one that split its container in half and fully rooted into the ground. IMG_3095.thumb.jpeg.02f2844a376dd691b87ada11731d5b65.jpegIMG_3093.thumb.jpeg.943018f82726ec5a8e27a8daec2c6579.jpeg

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I de-planted a King that wanted no part of the TX sun.  It was in shade most of the morning but still to much.  He has been relegated to standby duty.20241006_155218.thumb.jpg.6b3e807cfdbc3639f31ea57736aa3c4e.jpg

In it's place I re-planted my malcontent Lisa.  I got this healthy a few years ago, it started looking like this in the pot, so I planted it and it still continued to look like this, so I re-potted it and tried more sun, less sun, different fert, fungicide, etc and it still looks like this.  So we're trying in ground again.  I have about 30 strap leaf Lisa's in the container ranch, so if one of those starts showing Lisa traits and this guy is still acting up I may throw in the towel with him.20241006_155115.thumb.jpg.e6076f60b5741a5c5c0ef64d188f595e.jpg

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@Keys6505my king looks like a@&. It’s going to hit the compost pile. It gets afternoon shade but the sun is too much. Not a single frond has come out normal it was fried, wind beaten etc.  

Leave that Lisa alone for a year or so.  I planted one of my young ones in full sun. It has rewarded me with 8 fronds so far and is steaming along. I’m sure yours will turn around. I wish I had planted the rest of mine as they are way behind the one in the ground now. 

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The HGC kings just have a period of growing pains from transplant and exposure to higher light (most of them were very stretched). I wouldn't expect the old set of leaves to look good, you pretty much have to wait for a new crown of leaves past the first 2-3 leaves after planting. Thankfully it doesn't take too long if you feed and water, patience my friends 😜

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Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

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  On 10/6/2024 at 11:30 PM, Xenon said:

The HGC kings just have a period of growing pains from transplant and exposure to higher light (most of them were very stretched). I wouldn't expect the old set of leaves to look good, you pretty much have to wait for a new crown of leaves past the first 2-3 leaves after planting. Thankfully it doesn't take too long if you feed and water, patience my friends 😜

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I gave mine a solid 6 months to get his S together.  Tree spaces are at a premium when you only have 1/4 of an acre to work with.  He can reflect over the winter in a pot and we'll try again somewhere shadier in the spring.

 

  On 10/6/2024 at 11:19 PM, Chester B said:

Leave that Lisa alone for a year or so

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You have any advice for what could be the issue?  I'm going on probably 3 years with it now in various growing conditions and it's been this way almost the whole time.  Never holds more than 3 leaves, the new ones come out green and then start spotting and eventually get necrotic.

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You guys are brutal...6 months! I expect some of my palms to finally look good by the end of 2025 hahaha. But I get the opportunity cost.

The Ficus auriculata is gorgeous btw 

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Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

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  On 10/6/2024 at 11:30 PM, Xenon said:

The HGC kings just have a period of growing pains from transplant and exposure to higher light (most of them were very stretched). I wouldn't expect the old set of leaves to look good, you pretty much have to wait for a new crown of leaves past the first 2-3 leaves after planting. Thankfully it doesn't take too long if you feed and water, patience my friends 😜

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Every old frond is burnt and missing leaflets.  Every new frond has either come out and been snapped off or is deformed and breaks off.  It's pushed 5 fronds and just keeps looking worse.  I've never had a palm perform so poorly.  Trust me this isn't going to fix itself.  

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I planted a Sabal uresana today, but I ran out of sunlight. I will be planting a second one tomorrow, as well as some other palms. The small, struggling washingtonias will be transplanted in March, if they survive the winter. I haven't had rain since July, so everything looks horrible right now.

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Behold my deep, earthworm infested SUNEV soil Texans.

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  On 10/13/2024 at 1:13 AM, amh said:

I planted a Sabal uresana today, but I ran out of sunlight. I will be planting a second one tomorrow, as well as some other palms. The small, struggling washingtonias will be transplanted in March, if they survive the winter. I haven't had rain since July, so everything looks horrible right now.

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Excellent choice!  I'm sure it'll do well for you in the tundra.  😄  Hope you get some rain soon!  My yard looked similar in early July.

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Jon Sunder

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  On 10/13/2024 at 1:23 AM, Fusca said:

Excellent choice!  I'm sure it'll do well for you in the tundra.  😄  Hope you get some rain soon!  My yard looked similar in early July.

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I'm used to a seasonal drought, but the drought that started in 2020 is killing me. The uresana's shown should easily handle the cold, if I ever have a zone 8 winter again. I have decided that my front yard will be home to my silver/ glaucous palms, so I will be adding some very blue/silver Sabal uresanas in the spring and some white/silver/blue Nannorrhops in the future. I'll contrast these with vibrant flowering plans such as Feijoa sellowianaPunica granatumCaesalpinia pulcherrima and Erythrostemon gilliesii.
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@amh it looks like you have as many worms as I do. Same amount of rain and the same Sabal uresanas.

4”’down my soil turns to concrete though. 

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  On 10/13/2024 at 1:13 AM, amh said:

I planted a Sabal uresana today, but I ran out of sunlight. I will be planting a second one tomorrow, as well as some other palms. The small, struggling washingtonias will be transplanted in March, if they survive the winter. I haven't had rain since July, so everything looks horrible right now.

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Good to see those making it in the ground . I have 5 of that lineage in my yard. Out of the specimen I picked up from McNeal Growers, I found one random blue/green mixed in with all of those grey/green, that one is also in my yard. I have a few other uresana of varying color from other sources .

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  On 10/13/2024 at 3:12 AM, Chester B said:

@amh it looks like you have as many worms as I do. Same amount of rain and the same Sabal uresanas.

4”’down my soil turns to concrete though. 

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Yes, I was lucky enough to acquire these two palms from the same source, thank you @Meangreen94z. I sometimes mention my soil since it is abnormal for most of Texas, being that it is deep, fast draining clay-loam on the Edwards plateau. Unfortunately I receive a lot less rain than you, the normal yearly totals are somewhere between 35 and 40 inches, but since 2020 I am getting 40% to 50% of normal. 

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Good to see those making it in the ground . I have 5 of that lineage in my yard. Out of the specimen I picked up from McNeal Growers, I found one random blue/green mixed in with all of those grey/green, that one is also in my yard. I have a few other uresana of varying color from other sources .

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There can never be too many S. uresanas in a yard and your 5 will likely explode in growth next spring an summer. I'd love to have more, but I'm concentrating on the half acre around my house for now. It took a while for me to decide the final placement, but I should have a noncramped, multicolored Sabal uresana forest on the southwest corner of my yard. I had been keeping these palms under canopy, but I am noticing some more silver coloration developing since I moved the palms back to a sunny location. I'll plant some Blue/silver 5ish gallons that I started from seed in the spring and hopefully I will be able to get some silver plants.

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@Ben G. Tomorrow I finally get a chance to plant this Sabal Causiarum in the backyard. I will take good care of it  Can't wait to see it growing.  Thank you for giving me this palm as a gift. I also planted a Phoenix Dactylifera seedling next to the sidewalk. See how it does. 

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  On 10/13/2024 at 9:21 PM, MarcusH said:

@Ben G. Tomorrow I finally get a chance to plant this Sabal Causiarum in the backyard. I will take good care of it  Can't wait to see it growing.  Thank you for giving me this palm as a gift. I also planted a Phoenix Dactylifera seedling next to the sidewalk. See how it does. 

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That Sabal causiarum is going to look great, we need more of these planted in Texas.

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  On 10/13/2024 at 6:41 PM, amh said:

There can never be too many S. uresanas in a yard

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I agree!  I have the two planted and 5 more that I’m sizing up a bit. 3 silver ones from John Fairey and 2 green form courtesy of @Meangreen94z  

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