Canary Island Date vs Chilean Wine palm

[Rasan Jubaea]

"Hello, everyone. I live in a semi-arid climate with long, very hot, and dry summers, with consistent temperatures between 35-42°C (95-106°F) during the day in July and August, as well as mild winters with occasional brief drops to -5°C to -10°C. How will these two feather palms fare in this climate if I buy them in sizes similar the photos shown? I am very concerned about the heat, as the sun is very strong here.

[ahosey01]

The Canary will be fine with the heat.  The best looking Canaries in the world, in my opinion, grow wild on the banks of the Colorado River in Western Arizona where daytime highs reach 120F (48C-49C) in the middle of summer regularly.  They are huge and beautiful.

The Wine Palm would depend on how far your nights cool off in the summer.  They do fine in heat in three conditions: 1.) well drained soil, 2.) lots of water, 3.) cool nights.  If you can provide these three, it will probably do well.  What is a typical night time temperature for you in July or August?

The cold is a bigger question.  Both should be fine with -5C but both will get burned at -10C.  A mature Canary and a mature Wine Palm in a dry climate will both survive -10C, but they won't look good and neither will want that kind of cold every year.  How often do you get that low?

[Rasan Jubaea]

4 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

The Canary will be fine with the heat.  The best looking Canaries in the world, in my opinion, grow wild on the banks of the Colorado River in Western Arizona where daytime highs reach 120F (48C-49C) in the middle of summer regularly.  They are huge and beautiful.

The Wine Palm would depend on how far your nights cool off in the summer.  They do fine in heat in three conditions: 1.) well drained soil, 2.) lots of water, 3.) cool nights.  If you can provide these three, it will probably do well.  What is a typical night time temperature for you in July or August?

The cold is a bigger question.  Both should be fine with -5C but both will get burned at -10C.  A mature Canary and a mature Wine Palm in a dry climate will both survive -10C, but they won't look good and neither will want that kind of cold every year.  How often do you get that low?

"Thanks a lot for the reply. That is great news for the Canary.

Nights are around 23-26°C during those months. Irrigation won’t be a problem, and I am not sure about the soil type. Most years, we don’t get lower than brief -5°C to -7°C, but it can drop to -10°C briefly every few years.

I will be planting them in a rural landscape tho, away from concrete and pollution."

 

[SeanK]

The CIDP is probably more tolerant, recovers more quickly, and trunks more quickly than the Jubaea. The latter is a generational investment.

[kylecawazafla]

This is anecdotal, but there is a healthy Jubaea chilensis growing in Borrego Springs, California. You can look up the climate date, but it is similar to that of Northern Iraq, I assume! 

[DoomsDave]

@Rasan Jubaea nice to meet you!

I concur that the Phoenix is better for the average situation hands down. They’re much tougher and they’re not prone to diseases, though I suspect you don’t have many other palms where you are. 
 

Whatever you decide to do, let us know and show us pictures!

[Rasan Jubaea]

On 11/25/2024 at 7:24 AM, kylecawazafla said:

This is anecdotal, but there is a healthy Jubaea chilensis growing in Borrego Springs, California. You can look up the climate date, but it is similar to that of Northern Iraq, I assume! 

I looked it up. The summer climate is indeed very similar to here. Thanks a lot!

[Rasan Jubaea]

6 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

@Rasan Jubaea nice to meet you!

I concur that the Phoenix is better for the average situation hands down. They’re much tougher and they’re not prone to diseases, though I suspect you don’t have many other palms where you are. 
 

Whatever you decide to do, let us know and show us pictures!

Thanks fo your reply! I think will get a 35-50 liter Phoenix palm. I am now sure heat wont her main issue but cold will be so i need to protect it from strong frosts until it develops a trunk.

I’m also considering to get the Jubaea too, same size probably. I know it’s a risky investment, but its rarity and uniqueness are very tempting. 

Palms are actually very common here, most cities never get below -5 C. Washingtonias are sold abundantly, but people deal in and treat robustas and filiferas as the same tree! Date palms, Chamaerops and Windmills are common too. Canaries are rare and i have seen Jubaeas only once in a nursery but they were huge and priceless! 

I’m now thinking if i should get two mature 3-4 meter Washingtonias too, as an immediate enhancement to the landscape. I can't find mature Filiferas, unfortunately, but Filibustas(hybrids) are common and affordable. How well would they handle brief, occasional frosts below -7°C?