Information requested on Chamaedorea plumosa

[Phoenikakias]

What is more than intriguing is the lack of any reference to this sp (either as a valid or an invalid epithet or synonym) in Don Hodels's book on this genus printed in 1992! Given its remarkable sun tolerance for a Chamaedorea sp and extensive use at least in coastal SoCal and that the author lives in same region,  I would assume he should have had even a short entry  in his book., but no, actually nothing at all! So I would like to know more on the history of this sp or taxon. Like when it had  been introduced in to cultivation and where for the first time and under which name.  Who described the sp officially and who gave this name...

[Jonathan]

This link has been posted a couple of times, you may have already seen it...from memory there's a bit of info on plumosa. 

 Chamaedorea Palms 20 Years After

Personally one of my favourite palms. I've got four mature ones, all the same sex though unfortunately, although I'm not sure which! On the lookout for seed, but it doesn’t seem to come up very often, which is curious.

 

[Phoenikakias]

21 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

This link has been posted a couple of times, you may have already seen it...from memory there's a bit of info on plumosa. 

 Chamaedorea Palms 20 Years After

Personally one of my favourite palms. I've got four mature ones, all the same sex though unfortunately, although I'm not sure which! On the lookout for seed, but it doesn’t seem to come up very often, which is curious.

 

I am grateful, tnx!

[Nico94]

23 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

Ce lien a été posté plusieurs fois, vous l'avez peut-être déjà vu... de mémoire, il y a quelques informations sur plumosa. 

 Palmiers Chamaedorea 20 ans après

Personnellement, c'est l'un de mes palmiers préférés. J'en ai quatre matures, tous du même sexe malheureusement, même si je ne sais pas lequel ! Je suis à la recherche de graines, mais elles ne semblent pas apparaître très souvent, ce qui est curieux.

 

Hi, there are some seeds for sale on Rares palm seeds. 

[Harry’s Palms]

I am starting to see more these around my area. There are large ones for sale at my local nursery. Harry

[DoomsDave]

5 hours ago, Jonathan said:

This link has been posted a couple of times, you may have already seen it...from memory there's a bit of info on plumosa. 

 Chamaedorea Palms 20 Years After

Personally one of my favourite palms. I've got four mature ones, all the same sex though unfortunately, although I'm not sure which! On the lookout for seed, but it doesn’t seem to come up very often, which is curious.

 

Mix up their pronouns, as it were, and the seeds will come hard and fast.

[DoomsDave]

@Phoenikakias I got a sense you were despairing a bit in one of your other posts in another thread about hardy palms etc.

Chamadoreas, at least the hardy ones, should help dispel the despair some. I realize they're no substitute for things like Archontophoenix or Dypsis (Chrysalidocarpus) but they're still remarkable.

[Phoenikakias]

29 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

@Phoenikakias I got a sense you were despairing a bit in one of your other posts in another thread about hardy palms etc.

Chamadoreas, at least the hardy ones, should help dispel the despair some. I realize they're no substitute for things like Archontophoenix or Dypsis (Chrysalidocarpus) but they're still remarkable.

Alas, I can deal with (some) cold, but cold and shortage of water is too much a challenge...

[Josue Diaz]

6 hours ago, Jonathan said:

This link has been posted a couple of times, you may have already seen it...from memory there's a bit of info on plumosa. 

 Chamaedorea Palms 20 Years After

Personally one of my favourite palms. I've got four mature ones, all the same sex though unfortunately, although I'm not sure which! On the lookout for seed, but it doesn’t seem to come up very often, which is curious.

 

I have a small grouping of 4 plumosa, and although they bloom continuously, only one has produced seed for me. Interestingly, the leaves on it are a bit more rigid than the rest, so I'm not sure if that's simply genetic variation or whether it's not plumosa and perhaps a different species/hybrid all together. I got really good germination on these so I've got about 50 seedlings coming up at the moment. If you're still looking for seed next summer, check in with me and I can send you some.  

[Jim in Los Altos]

1 hour ago, Josue Diaz said:

I have a small grouping of 4 plumosa, and although they bloom continuously, only one has produced seed for me. Interestingly, the leaves on it are a bit more rigid than the rest, so I'm not sure if that's simply genetic variation or whether it's not plumosa and perhaps a different species/hybrid all together. I got really good germination on these so I've got about 50 seedlings coming up at the moment. If you're still looking for seed next summer, check in with me and I can send you some.  

Sounds like you have three males and one female plumosa. 

[richnorm]

I had a matched pair but the flowering never overlapped. It was always the male first.  

[Jonathan]

2 hours ago, Josue Diaz said:

I have a small grouping of 4 plumosa, and although they bloom continuously, only one has produced seed for me. Interestingly, the leaves on it are a bit more rigid than the rest, so I'm not sure if that's simply genetic variation or whether it's not plumosa and perhaps a different species/hybrid all together. I got really good germination on these so I've got about 50 seedlings coming up at the moment. If you're still looking for seed next summer, check in with me and I can send you some.  

That's very kind, thanks Josue...and as an indication of how generous our little community is here, I received a pm from another PT'er with an offer of seeds, gratefully accepted.

[Jonathan]

2 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Alas, I can deal with (some) cold, but cold and shortage of water is too much a challenge...

I know that feeling well.

20 years of growing palms in a cold desert has been a frustrating experience, which is why I pretty much lost interest and stopped posting here for about 10 years. Five years ago I finally wore my wife down with my whining and we bought another property an hour or so away, which has three times the rainfall, good soil, instead of beach sand and several springs...paradise by comparison. It's still just as cold in winter, but warmer in summer, and the water will finally give me a fair chance with palms like Archontophoenix and Rhopalostylis, which grow well in Tasmania if given enough water...hope on the horizon.

Chamaedoreas in pots have kept me sane!  

[DoomsDave]

3 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Alas, I can deal with (some) cold, but cold and shortage of water is too much a challenge...

Well, many Chamadoreas, plus Butiagrus mules, Chamaerops, Nannorhops, parajubes, Jubes, etc. are up to both. Though, I'll admit, I'd miss hell out of the Chambeys.

[Phoenikakias]

14 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Well, many Chamadoreas, plus Butiagrus mules, Chamaerops, Nannorhops, parajubes, Jubes, etc. are up to both. Though, I'll admit, I'd miss hell out of the Chambeys.

And Archies too!

[happypalms]

On 12/2/2024 at 10:40 PM, Jonathan said:

This link has been posted a couple of times, you may have already seen it...from memory there's a bit of info on plumosa. 

 Chamaedorea Palms 20 Years After

Personally one of my favourite palms. I've got four mature ones, all the same sex though unfortunately, although I'm not sure which! On the lookout for seed, but it doesn’t seem to come up very often, which is curious.

 

Actually seeds come up now and then in my garden I get that many they are a weed. Keep  you in mind next batch of seeds I get. I think the last lot went to Tyron in WA.

[Kim]

I have a batch of 4 together in my coastal San Diego, California with afternoon full west sun exposure. They tolerate it, but they don't love it, some yellow fronds. They get irrigation due to the proximity of the lawn, but don't get a lot of attention from me beyond a rare dash of fertilizer. Evidently they flower, I don't know the males from the females. I hoped my Howea palms would grow enough to partially shade them; not really happening yet. Greece has a tougher climate, no? 

[happypalms]

They love shade are dry tolerant but like water to look there best, and they set seed in my garden here’s a couple of seeds in the garden today. Cool tolerant actually quite tough I have some that are around 6 meters tall. They will yellow in a hot dry sunny spot. But an absolute gorgeous palm that is if it doesn’t get too tall out of view.