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I’ll apologize up front as I’m not well versed in the scientific names and in general, new to palms.

My wife and I moved to South FL recently and we have a small area we want to spruce up. We’ve been eyeing lots of various palms in the area and have identified Christmas and Alexander palms that have a trunk size and ground footprint were interested in. As I understand it Alexander palms will grow taller than Christmas palms. We’ve also seen what seem to be an areca type palm but I don’t think they’re arecas. They’re sometimes singles but have seen multi as well and they’re no more than 6-8 inches in diameter but well over 15-20’ tall. I can post some pics another time, but wanted to post this to see if I could get some ideas of palms similar to what I’m talking about that are not necessarily expensive and also easy to take care of.

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Carpentaria Acuminata might be if interest to you. It’s a fast growing slender palm. 

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@Dylan welcome! How about some pictures?

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Ptychosperma macarthurii is tall, slender of trunk, and clumping. Look for photos, see if that interests you. I can't make a firm recommendation, not being experienced growing palms in Florida, but my impression is they are easy to find and grow. 

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Ptychosperma, Adonidia, Coccothrinax, Wodyetia, Dypsis/Chrisalidocarpus, Hyophorbe, Pinanga, Latania, etc all good genus choices for sfl and there are many more. Take advantage of your climate that gives you a lot of free will to choose!

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7 hours ago, Dylan said:

I’ll apologize up front as I’m not well versed in the scientific names and in general, new to palms.

My wife and I moved to South FL recently and we have a small area we want to spruce up. We’ve been eyeing lots of various palms in the area and have identified Christmas and Alexander palms that have a trunk size and ground footprint were interested in. As I understand it Alexander palms will grow taller than Christmas palms. We’ve also seen what seem to be an areca type palm but I don’t think they’re arecas. They’re sometimes singles but have seen multi as well and they’re no more than 6-8 inches in diameter but well over 15-20’ tall. I can post some pics another time, but wanted to post this to see if I could get some ideas of palms similar to what I’m talking about that are not necessarily expensive and also easy to take care of.

If you want to toss some palms in and call it a day, Alexander and Christmas palms are great choices.  Just very common.  But also easy to grow and replace.  

https://www.south-florida-plant-guide.com/small-palm-trees.html

https://www.south-florida-plant-guide.com/alexander-palm.html

https://www.south-florida-plant-guide.com/adonidia-palm.html

If you just moved down and are in Key West, (or anywhere south of West Palm Beach) you have a ton of choices for more exotic and interesting stuff.  If you enjoy growing plants and creating landscapes, you might want to do a deep dive and consider all of the excellent choices that you have.  If you like this kind of stuff, but came from a temperate place and just aren't experienced growing tropical things...  man are you in for a treat.  Your tastes will develop with a little time, exposure, and internet reading.

Down there you are in the most tropical area in the continental US...  Zone 11b.

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Picture of the spot, picture of what you are liking in the neighborhoods and parks would help a lot.     

 

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Thank you so much for the great feedback already! I've searched some of the suggestions on plantant.com and some definitely are in the range of what we're thinking. I'll get some pics out and about today and post them.

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3 hours ago, Dylan said:

Thank you so much for the great feedback already! I've searched some of the suggestions on plantant.com and some definitely are in the range of what we're thinking. I'll get some pics out and about today and post them.

Might be a good idea to go see the palms in person so you know what you like.  Fairchild bottanical gardens is in miami, one of the most complete palm gardens in the US.  Sometimes an in person view of choices can clarify your tastes.  Once the take a camera pic of the palm and the name you can go to palmpedia.com for care, soil preferences etc.  Palmpedia will be way better than plant ant for species specific information on suitability size and care.   Once you have a list of things you like, google search the local nursieries availability lists or call them to see what they have and they have a LOT of palms in SFL.  Some have beautifully colored trunks and crownshafts.  I recommend being open to the possibilities.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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I took a few pics and some close ups of some of the palms we are considering. Again, this is a small area we can plant and we also have some lady palms in buckets to complement the talk skinnys we want. We have some friends down the road that are very much into the more rare and fun palms and we love what they're doing. We also have a small lipstick palm and pigmy date palm.

I'll try to keep these grouped appropriately. Seems after you save you get the pics inline so I can edit and add descriptions.

The following 2 pics are the same tree. The second being a closer up shot of the top.
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The following 3 pics are from the same shot. 1st pic is of all 3 palms and 2 close ups following.
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The following 2 are from the same shot.
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2 more pics groups with the 2nd being the closer up shot.
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The last 3 are additional pics of palms we like.
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These may all be the same or close to the same. What we like about this size trunk is that we have more room for other items around it and we don't want a trunk overgrowing the space in 10/20/30 years.

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1 hour ago, Dylan said:

 

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First two here are Carepentaria acuminata. Fits the bill for tall, skinny and they are usually fast growers as well. Not the cleanest look in my personal opinion, a bit shaggy sometimes but still a nice option.

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Two different species here, Ptychosperma elegans and Veitchia arecina.

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This is the Veitchia. One of my top choices I'd recommend for you. A bit larger overall than some of the other options, but still a lot skinnier than something like a Royal. Very elegant straight fronds, and you get that white crownshaft with contrasting dark tomentum (more visible when they're smaller)

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These are Ptychosperma elegans, probably the thinnest trunk options for a solitary palm. (I think the common name Alexander is confusing here because it's also used for Archontophoenix, which looks quite a bit different). They are fairly fast growing, small, look good in groups and just nice versatile palms overall. Only downside is if you want something larger or rarer.

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These are Adonidia, Christmas palms. They have a very similar look to the Ptychosperma elegans at this size but they probably will take longer to get there - they aren't slow growers but slow to gain height. Again they are pretty palms but extremely common and sort of the default home Depot palm in South Florida these days. the other downside for you would be the time it takes to get to this height vs the other options. 

 

 

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First photo is Adonidia and second photo with the very thin straight trunks is Ptychosperma. If you don't want something that gets too tall too fast might want to avoid the Veitchia and Carpentaria. Lots of good options though.

Edited your post with the photos and added my own captions with IDs and opinions. Will try to think of some other potential options for you too, you have lots of options, especially if you go up to homestead you can find just about anything you want and probably for a good price depending on the size. 

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@Dylan I started a similar thread back in April, with some additional ideas here:

Some other ones from the lists that aren't in previous posts may be Dictyosperma Album/Rubrum, Burretiokentia Hapala, Ptychosperma Macarthurii or Shefferi, and Cyphophoenix Alba, Nucele, and Elegans.

@D. Morrowii made another good thread here the year before, with a good summary list of ideas at the very bottom post:

 

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The other question is how tall do you really want these?   The nice thing about Christmas palms and such, is they don’t get hugely tall, fast.  The ones in your pics are absolutely ancient.  At some point, very tall, solitary palms are just telephone poles and are best admired from a couple of properties away.  They don’t offer shade and you won’t be admiring the foliage unless you are laying on your back.   That’s the problem with Veichia in a small space or yard, especially with their relatively sparse fronds.  

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@DylanWould it be possible to see pictures of the space you’re working with? I think that would really help with considerations and just to get an idea of how a palm might fit.

Another thing too, if your house is 2 story, taller palms may be more fitting than say for a 1 story house in which tall trees would look disproportionate.

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Syagrus botryophora is a great option for small areas and is fast growing. 

18n. Hot, humid and salty coastal conditions.

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On 12/13/2024 at 7:43 PM, Looking Glass said:

At some point, very tall, solitary palms are just telephone poles and are best admired from a couple of properties away.

Part of the reason we want very tall is because our place is tucked away down a little alley so you can’t see much from the street. Being able to see them from the surrounding block streets is what we’re envisioning even though that’s decades away. We want to put a less tall “layer” in as well.

 

On 12/13/2024 at 11:24 PM, TropicsEnjoyer said:

DylanWould it be possible to see pictures of the space you’re working with?

I’ll get a pic of the small area we’re working with posted soon. 

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This is a pic from before we moved in but we have too many potted plant temp in the way of a getting a good pic. We have about 9’ x 3’ on each side of the door to work with. I want to extend the right side out to that white support pole. The 3’ of depth is the limitation influencing the skinnier trunk palms.
 

While it’s mostly a blank slate, we do have a couple of nice potted lady palms to incorporate somewhere (the wife loves them). I plan to keep those thinned out well so they’re less bushy. We’re also putting Bahama shades in over the windows so there will need to be 12-18” clearance immediately in front of the windows. The planter border will be oolite, possibly replacing the concrete door pad with oolite as well just to frame up the look we’re going for.


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I'm on the other coast so you'll get your best recommendations from your (many) Florida peers, but is this the general "look" you're wanting... i.e., tall skinny palms rising from one (or both) of the planters, and smaller tropical potted plants sprinkled elsewhere?

Oh, and welcome to Palmtalk!
* newbies are very welcome... especially those with photos (we love making suggestions for other people's yards).

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@Dylan if you like @iDesign’s suggestion, maybe consider a small to medium palm like Ptychosperma elegans or something similar.  

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1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

@Dylan if you like @iDesign’s suggestion, maybe consider a small to medium palm like Ptychosperma elegans or something similar.  

I believe Ptychosperma elegans is the one I Photoshopped in (based on @aabell's ID guesses), although any of the suggestions would likely work. I usually prefer palms to not be much taller than the home, but personally think tall skinny palms would look nice here. Partly due to how adorable the home itself is.

Bonus pic for fun (since the home is so darn cute)...

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Yeah for a small house like that a ptychosperma would be fitting. Adonidia would also work too as an option that doesn’t gain height as fast. And as a bonus maybe you can plant something around the palms for added greenery. 

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14 hours ago, iDesign said:

I'm on the other coast so you'll get your best recommendations from your (many) Florida peers, but is this the general "look" you're wanting... i.e., tall skinny palms rising from one (or both) of the planters, and smaller tropical potted plants sprinkled elsewhere?

Oh, and welcome to Palmtalk!
* newbies are very welcome... especially those with photos (we love making suggestions for other people's yards).

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That's great and thank you for the kind words

 

! The patio furniture will not stay. Our lady palms will be in front of the windows. I do expect a single or double palm to the right of the right window as you have it. Due to the forthccoming bahama shades we wouldn't have much room for a rigid trunk palm in front of the windows hence putting the lady palms there.

On the left, I'm thinking we can get a single palm to the left of the door but right of the window. Then to the far left I think we can get another single or double palm. Due to the minimal depth of room available, any long frond palms won't work well if they're not over the height of the roof as the fronds will rub the side of the building. Aside from the tall palms and lady palms, we do want to fill in the remaining available space with various other items.

Thank you for this mockup!

12 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

And as a bonus maybe you can plant something around the palms for added greenery. 

Yes, we've tossed around a lot of ideas for the lower height/ground greenery, but won't really know what to do there until we have the bigger items in place and probably get the oolite project done. We love the clumping zoysia around palms like the following but again, not sure yet.

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I can't believe Euterpe doesn't get more mention. Especially the ones with orange crownshafts. Skinny trunks and very fast growing, and if you like the droppy leaves look - you can't beat them.

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2 hours ago, Dypsisdean said:

I can't believe Euterpe doesn't get more mention. Especially the ones with orange crownshafts. Skinny trunks and very fast growing, and if you like the droppy leaves look - you can't beat them.

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I do like these, especially because the droopy leaves look different than anything I've seen around our island. I'll check inventory in S Florida to see if there are any growers/nurseries with them. Thanks for chiming in, @Dypsisdean!

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9 hours ago, Dylan said:

but won't really know what to do there until we have the bigger items in place

Of course, you have to go 1 step at a time. But maybe something like bromeliads could look nice too. And if your climate allows, wrap orchids on the palm trunks, i think it’d look cute.

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12 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

wrap orchids on the palm trunks

Oh, there will be orchids wrapped, no doubt. Our coconut tree has a phalaenopsis doing quite well latching it's roots around the trunk. About half the palms in front yards around here have various orchids on the trunks and we love it! We're on the same page, @TropicsEnjoyer!

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I can tell you are a palm newbie: you limit your choices to pinnate/feather palms only. Not one palmate/fan palm among them. People new to palms consider pinnate palms as true palms solely worthy of their attention. And the feather palms they look at are (Blah!) the “usual suspects” everyone in SFL plants, i.e. common, cheap, boring and easily replaceable. Adonidia, the cutesily named Christmas palm is a weed that will fill your yard with scruffy little seedlings. We just hired a part time gardener to, among other things, pull up 100s of baby Adonidias, Ptychosperma, Veitchias, Coccothrinax (palmate, I know, but great palms) and more at $20 per hour.

I strongly suggest you look into tropical palmate palms in genera Licuala, Laconia, Kerriodoxa, Latania and more people here can recommend. Research takes more time but results can be worth it.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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11 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I can tell you are a palm newbie: you limit your choices to pinnate/feather palms only. Not one palmate/fan palm among them. People new to palms consider pinnate palms as true palms solely worthy of their attention. And the feather palms they look at are (Blah!) the “usual suspects” everyone in SFL plants, i.e. common, cheap, boring and easily replaceable. Adonidia, the cutesily named Christmas palm is a weed that will fill your yard with scruffy little seedlings. We just hired a part time gardener to, among other things, pull up 100s of baby Adonidias, Ptychosperma, Veitchias, Coccothrinax (palmate, I know, but great palms) and more at $20 per hour.

I strongly suggest you look into tropical palmate palms in genera Licuala, Laconia, Kerriodoxa, Latania and more people here can recommend. Research takes more time but results can be worth it.

I somewhat agree but at the same time let’s not be too judgmental either. To my knowledge palms like kerriodoxa and licuala are more shade preferring palms (their front yard looks full sun) that also do not gain height very fast (something this person seems to be wanting). As for latania, it is a more valid suggestion, but it still might not work. I’ve seen these in person and they’re basically dwarf bismarcks bc of their large fans. 

At the end of the day maybe it’s not a bad idea to start simple. I’m sure many people on here didn’t have something exotic as their first palm anyway. Of course, with some time they will likely see more options and add on in the future.

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13 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I can tell you are a palm newbie

Rather rude especially given my first sentence of this post. Perhaps you can tell I’m a newbie because I said:

On 12/12/2024 at 6:45 PM, Dylan said:

 

I’ll apologize up front as I’m not well versed in the scientific names and in general, new to palms.

 

I suppose because you’re a palm expert you don’t need to be polite? At least everyone else that’s chimed in so far has some respect and understanding.

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First off, welcome to PalmTalk and I hope the above post doesn’t deter you from posting more in the future.  We all start somewhere and it’s usually “common” palms that get us all interested in this crazy hobby!  Some of the common palms are incredibly beautiful and if those exact same palms were rare palms that were hard to get, all of the palm people would be drooling over them. 
 

I personally like Dean’s idea of the orange crown shaft Euterpe and sounds like you like the drooping leaflets.

Adonida (Christmas palm) is also nice with a completely different, recurved leaf shape. 
 

You might also want to look into Chambeyronia Macrocarpa (Hookeri variation is my favorite) as those open an amazing red leaf and are similar in size to the Alexander palms you mentioned. 
 

Another great option could be Chambeyronia Oliviformis (formerly Kentiopsis Oliviformis). Again, similar size to Alexander palms but a nice upright growth habit and deep green coloring on the trunks. 
 

Plenty of great options and you should be able to find many at nurseries there. Oh, and definitely take the advice of others here and go to Fairchild Gardens if you can. I used to fly out from California to Florida to go there. An amazing place! 
 

 

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Coccothrinax barbadensis would probably do pretty well in that spot too

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10 hours ago, Dylan said:

I suppose because you’re a palm expert you don’t need to be polite? At least everyone else that’s chimed in so far has some respect and understanding.

It’s sometimes hard to interpret tone or intent over the internet.  It’s fairly easy to take things the wrong way, or have things come across in an unintended way.   It happens to all of us.  

Pretty soon it will be 5 years that I’ve been at the house here….  My first house in a fairly tropical locale.  Though I’ve grown plants in temperate climates my whole life, when we first got the place here, I knew almost nothing about growing palms outside.  Essentially, I was in the exact same boat you are in now.  

At the time, Meg wrote the exact same thing on my first post, and she was absolutely correct.    Looking back, what I would have done differently is to concentrate on Native and Cuban stuff way earlier in my journey.   They are interesting and attractive, often way more durable to drought, blazing sun and wind, and are overjoyed in our environment with just a little water and fertilizer.  But they can be a tad slow, so the sooner, the better.   Landscapes fill in over time.  

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There is a lot of accumulated knowledge and experience to resource on this forum, in terms of tropical plant care and landscaping.   If you have a touch of the OCD, as many of us here do, and you are truly interested in plants, your knowledge base is going to go from 0 to 60 pretty quickly, and your true tastes will be revealed, as you go down the rabbit hole.    Early on, you don’t know what you don’t know, but that will change.  

Does your house face south by any chance?  It looks like a very hot sunny spot there.  That will limit things a little.  Some palms will thrive there.  Others will fry and die.  Over time you’ll get to know every micro spot in your yard, and what will work where.  

I personally agree with Meg about Christmas palms (and for me coconuts) as they are ubiquitous here.  But as set and forget palms, they work great, which is why they are so common.   Depends on what you want to do.  

PS- don’t forget the broms….

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Great post @Looking Glass. I'm on a similar timeline, for the first few years the thing that attracted me the most about tall pinnate palms is how fast they grow. For someone who has never grown palms before it's certainly a great attribute and I've loved watching my palms rocket skyward. Many of the palmate species, while beautiful, are absolutely glacial in comparison. All the more reason to get them started now, instead of regretting not doing it now in five years! 

Lots of good options here, I also agree the recommendation to go to Fairchild and see what catches your eye. 

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Sounds to me like the OP isn't interested in a palm garden, but rather a garden with a palm or two.  With such a small planting area, it pretty much means things will be limited.  If the OP isnt happy in 5 years he can always rip them out(easier said than done) and start over.   Adonidias seem like a good choice for such a small spot as they seem to do well with limited root growth in a constrained area.  Larger palms will experience higher winds and their trunks will exert more leverage even at the same wind velocity.    You don't want one coming down on the roof in a blow.  Tall skinny palms seem get knocked down the most in a big blow.   I have no adonidias, they are so common here on my street, and there are so many other choices that I like more.   I will say that when I started I had a few board members show me some palms that were not available in big box stores, and I am so happy they took the time.  While Megs response was unfiltered and likely based on her own experience, my thoughts are similar.  But with so limited planting space, I doubt the OP will get "palm madness" like many of us.  I would just say be careful how tall you go, a tall palm standing alone will see the most wind.  My strategy has always been to bunch the more slender trunked ones so they protect each other in wind.     We got hit by milton a couple months ago 110mph gusts and one yard had (3) 30' royals two planted next to each other and a third standing alone.  Those standing next to each other had 6-8 leaves left and the single had one leaf and a spear.  Standing alone in the wind at a tall height will product the worst wind damage.  My palms that do stand alone are carribean, that is they are hurricane tough.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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3 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

pretty much means things will be limited

i can relate too, to an extent

right now the only major planting i have is a sylvestris and finding a proper spot for anything is is somewhat difficult 

but i totally agree that they can’t go crazy either given their constraints 

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Dylan, I was out of line and should not have posted my pea-brained thoughts in a way that insulted and offended you. I apologize sincerely.

I have two possible suggestions for pinnate palms that might fit the scale of your beach house: the two most obtainable Hyophorbes - bottle and spindle. Neither gets huge and both have fascinating trunk details. My two spindles were planted in 1993 and are 20+ ft tall. I tracked down my largest bottle palm on a trip to the Keys ca. 1996/97 and it is about 1/2 the height of the spindles,

I studied the photo of your house again and had a "Eureka" moment for a stunning palm/s for your front yard: Areca catechu Dwarf. They are scarce and not cheap but are hugely desired by palm lovers. Once almost impossible to find in the SE US, larger ones are available from quality nurseries in SFL and SWFL. My largest dwarf - I lost all my others to Hurricane Ian - is over 5' tall and trunking. It has never flowered so weediness is not one of its faults. Dwarf Arecas present on a scale from extreme to semi-dwarf. It's my favorite palm and I have been hunting for more the past 2.5 years. A couple weeks ago I received 5 1g from Floribunda. Dwarf Arecas express dwarfism on a scale from extreme to semi-dwarf. Extreme dwarfs are very rare and I don't have one, but two of my 5 display a ton of dwarfism. I also have a nice semi-dwarf that survived Ian.

I took some photos of my latest 5 dwarf Arecas and unearthed photos of my trunking dwarf and semi-dwarf. They would look stellar in front of your house. Good luck with your landscaping.

1) Areca catechu Dwarf, Cape Coral, FL, 2024

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2) Areca catechu Semi-Dwarf, Cape Coral, FL, 2019

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3) Areca catechu Dwarf 1g x5, Cape Coral, FL, 12-2024

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4) Areca catechu Dwarf 1g x2:  High dwarfism (L); Moderate to Semi-Dwarfism (R) Cape Coral, FL, 12-2024

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5) Areca catechu Dwarf 1g: High dwarfism, Cape Coral, FL, 12-2024

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6) Areca catechu Dwarf 1g: Moderate to Semi-Dwarf, Cape Coral, FL, 12-2024

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Posted
On 12/15/2024 at 7:43 PM, iDesign said:

I'm on the other coast so you'll get your best recommendations from your (many) Florida peers, but is this the general "look" you're wanting... i.e., tall skinny palms rising from one (or both) of the planters, and smaller tropical potted plants sprinkled elsewhere?

Oh, and welcome to Palmtalk!
* newbies are very welcome... especially those with photos (we love making suggestions for other people's yards).

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My wife and I have been eating up these suggestions and discussion on our project. We’re still digesting, playing with different ideas but I can promise you our original thought for this space has evolved thanks to you all! We will definitely take a more methodical approach identifying worthy palm specimens and waiting to find those vs settling for more common and easy to find palms.

I quoted @iDesign post because I played around with PS as well to throw some elements how were thinking and I might as well share here. Since I did this “rendering” I’ve planted our Lady Palms to start the overall project. Planting them in front of the windows makes the most sense as there’s less room and will be even less once we get Bahama Shades. The Lady Palm stalks are much more forgiving to work with that scenario.

I fully expect the final actual look will be different than my rendering but it is a good visual to help continue evolving our project.

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On 12/21/2024 at 1:23 PM, PalmatierMeg said:

Dylan, I was out of line and should not have posted my pea-brained thoughts in a way that insulted and offended you. I apologize sincerely.

@PalmatierMeg Water under the bridge and I apologize if I was a bit too sensitive. I respect your feedback on the post regardless and thank you for responding!

 

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@Dylan I have a relative of the Lady Palm in front of a window, it works fairly well.  I used Rhapis Multifida, which clumps a lot but doesn't try to spread outwards more than a few inches at a time.  I did have 4 or 5 big Lady Palm clusters, but they tried to spread out of control.  They can spread rhizomes underground up to 6 feet away, maybe more.  This *might* be an issue if your planting spot is surrounded by pavers.  They could spread underground and try and pop up through and lift the pavers.  If it is surrounded by poured concrete (like a foundation or sidewalk) it's probably not an issue.

Picking your favorite frond shape is a critical choice, which might change over time.  Originally I liked Sylvesters and Bottle palms.  Bottles and Spindles are still my favorites, but I hate the stabbiness of all Phoenix palm species.  But I like the Euterpe Edulis drapey fronds.  I wish I could grow that or Dypsis Onilahensis "weepy from," but it's just a bit too cold here for them.

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2 hours ago, Merlyn said:

I did have 4 or 5 big Lady Palm clusters, but they tried to spread out of control.  They can spread rhizomes underground up to 6 feet away, maybe more.

Are these offsets/suckers/runners able to be dug up and potted? Asking for future reference, I just ordered a small lady palm online.

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8 hours ago, TropicsEnjoyer said:

Are these offsets/suckers/runners able to be dug up and potted? Asking for future reference, I just ordered a small lady palm online.

You can easily divide them (dig up sections that have their own roots), I'm not sure how small of an offset you can successfully transplant - I need to experiment on some of mine. I would definitely try to get some roots with anything that you cut off. 

Posted
On 12/16/2024 at 4:19 PM, Dypsisdean said:

I can't believe Euterpe doesn't get more mention. Especially the ones with orange crownshafts. Skinny trunks and very fast growing, and if you like the droppy leaves look - you can't beat them.

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I love them, too, but could not get them to survive more than a few weeks - very cold sensitive. But that was 15 years ago so maybe I should give them one more try.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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