Help identifing this palm in my garden

[RubyStarfall]

These were planted by the previous owner, but I'd like to buy more. I have two and they are growing in a semi shaded / full sun area and I'm in Perth Western Australia.

Grateful for any help.

[TropicsEnjoyer]

99% sure that’s a common Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus lutescens

[sonoranfans]

The reddish/rust color on the crownshaft I have not seen on any C. Lutecens.   I have (2) clumps 14 years in the ground and they are all over in my area but no red/rust.   

[Harry’s Palms]

They look just like the two C. Lutescens I have . The nice orange coloring of the leaf base and golden cane . Nice palms and readily available in all sizes here in the States. Harry

I don’t have a pic of the coloring that @sonoranfans is seeing but your palm has the same coloring as both of mine . They have been in the ground over 20 years . I am in a zone 10a/ 10b microclimate in Southern California. South facing and up on a hill. Harry

[sonoranfans]

13 minutes ago, Harry’s Palms said:

They look just like the two C. Lutescens I have . The nice orange coloring of the leaf base and golden cane . Nice palms and readily available in all sizes here in the States. Harry

I don’t have a pic of the coloring that @sonoranfans is seeing but your palm has the same coloring as both of mine . They have been in the ground over 20 years . I am in a zone 10a/ 10b microclimate in Southern California. South facing and up on a hill. Harry

Im not  talking about the color of the trunks, or leafbases that reddish/rust crownshaft hints at a teddy bear cross, perhaps.  But I dont know enough about all the possibilities of clumpers/hybrids.  I have seen thousands of these C lutecens her and in hawaii, no reddish crownshaft.   Yeah in sun they blanch out yellow, probably catalyzed by dry hot conditions. The lutecens here show a few trunks as yellow, many are waxy light blue/green with some white depending on sun exposure.  Mine are in shade and have deep green leaves.  Could be a lutecens but Ive never seen one with that red and this is a top 3 most common nonnative palm in florida.

[Harry’s Palms]

Hmmm , I guess I can’t see what you are seeing. I will take another look at both of mine. I see a pinkish coloring on some of my unopened fronds from time to time. Hybrids are always a possibility with some growers and unless we could nail that down , I would say a C. Lutescens would be a good match to what the OP wants . I am no expert on Dypsis / Chrysalidocarpus. I only recently branched out into other species of this large genus. Good eye , Harry

[RubyStarfall]

Thank you all 😊When I look them up Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus lutescens looks just like them. sonoranfans  I wonder if the colouring is from the fact these get lot of water, the water table here is very high and they have their roots right down in it, until recently there wasn't any reticulation on them and they still grew happily or it could be the sun, it's been over 40 degrees C here lately and this one is in full sun, the leaves could just be burnt.

[Harry’s Palms]

That is quite warm for these and they will tend to burn a bit in full sun. Harry

[tim_brissy_13]

I’m 99.9% sure it’s C lutescens. I suspect the reddish crownshaft in one photo is actually attached to a leaf about to die. They sometime turn nice colours before ultimately brown. 

[happypalms]

You need to contact Tyrone in WA he has some good palms you can find him on palm talk.

[sonoranfans]

11 hours ago, RubyStarfall said:

Thank you all 😊When I look them up Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus lutescens looks just like them. sonoranfans  I wonder if the colouring is from the fact these get lot of water, the water table here is very high and they have their roots right down in it, until recently there wasn't any reticulation on them and they still grew happily or it could be the sun, it's been over 40 degrees C here lately and this one is in full sun, the leaves could just be burnt.

Mine are in florida, 60" rain over 4 months.  They are in  3/4 day shade plus 3x weekly automatic irrigation when it doesnt rain.  Mine do not look like yours or any of those I have seen from down under.  On mine, 3 trunks of 10 are  no doubt partly yellow the rest waxy white and light blue or green and the foliage is far darker than those pictured here, darker than any of my palms save dictyosperma album furfurcea.  I am not in florida now so I cant take a pic.  Around my area I do see those more yellow ones with pale green/yellowish leaves in full, all day sun.  I suspect these palms have drastically different coloration based on climate.   These down under palms look sun blanched when compared to mine.  The reddish crownshaft may well be a dying leaf I just hav enot seen that here.

[sonoranfans]

The hot dry summers in Perth are probably why those down there look different than mine.  We are humid and 10-15" rain a month in summer.  I lived in arizona but never saw a lutecens there.  

 

mine look like this one only even more waxy/ light green blue trunks

[sonoranfans]

Google AI says chlorophyll(green) is more readily bleached by sunlight than xanthins and carotenes which pass yellow light.

Chlorophyll is more susceptible to bleaching by sunlight compared to xanthophylls and carotenes because, while all are photosynthetic pigments, chlorophyll is the primary light-absorbing molecule and is more easily damaged by excessive light energy, whereas xanthophylls and carotenes have a protective function, helping to dissipate excess light energy and prevent chlorophyll damage. 

 

So those yellow trunks and yellowish leaves are very likely pronounced in high sunlight conditions.

 

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/whiteriver/home/?cid=stelprdb5388915#:~:text=Therefore%2C during summer chlorophyll is,the leaf to appear yellow.

 

[Jdash]

on these older lutescens, color seems to vary on those boots, you can see that same color on plant ant. will walk around the neighborhood and take some pictures of the older ones with color variation to them. now if the color was on the rachis/petiole like those baby red stems, then who knows what hybrids or unknown it could be

[Stevetoad]

I agree with the dypsis (I won’t conform) lutescens. 

[Stevetoad]

On 12/30/2024 at 6:58 AM, sonoranfans said:

Google AI says chlorophyll(green) is more readily bleached by sunlight than xanthins and carotenes which pass yellow light.

Chlorophyll is more susceptible to bleaching by sunlight compared to xanthophylls and carotenes because, while all are photosynthetic pigments, chlorophyll is the primary light-absorbing molecule and is more easily damaged by excessive light energy, whereas xanthophylls and carotenes have a protective function, helping to dissipate excess light energy and prevent chlorophyll damage. 

 

So those yellow trunks and yellowish leaves are very likely pronounced in high sunlight conditions.

 

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/whiteriver/home/?cid=stelprdb5388915#:~:text=Therefore%2C during summer chlorophyll is,the leaf to appear yellow.

 

I think it has to do with them being somewhat stressed too. Mine look drastically different than the ones I see in Florida and Hawaii. Fortunately for me it’s the only Palm that I’ve seen that I think looks better when not super happy. Mine always have yellow crownshafts but in winter they really glow. Once the temps dip I start to see a bit of red on the bases of the new spears too (you can see a little of this in the second pic)