Veitcha Joannis gets planted

[happypalms]

An easy palm to grow the joannis. I collected these seeds in my home town of Grafton. I was very surprised find one that planted in Grafton it was in a business premises so the landscaper knew his stuff. It gets cold in winter in Grafton down to minus one or two degrees Celsius on rare occasions, another surprise to me I thought it would be a palm that was not cool tolerant. So a bit of asking the office lady and the seeds were mine free to a good home. So that’s this palm came to be in my collection. I gave most of the seeds away and germinated around 30 for myself to plant in my garden.

[quaman58]

Love this palm, although I’m in a pretty marginal area for it. I need to give it lots of canopy protection, and it’s a much slower growing palm overall than in the tropics. But it’s got about as tropical look as one can ask for!

[happypalms]

2 hours ago, quaman58 said:

Love this palm, although I’m in a pretty marginal area for it. I need to give it lots of canopy protection, and it’s a much slower growing palm overall than in the tropics. But it’s got about as tropical look as one can ask for!

Give it a go you never know how it will go . I got stuff in my collection that’s not meant to grow here according to the books or internet. It is a pretty palm iam looking forward to seeing it grow.

[Harry’s Palms]

That is a beauty . I wouldn’t mind trying a Viethcia here , now that my garden is mature. When I first moved here I had two pretty nice ones but they soon died . I can’t remember which species . I’m pretty sure they would’ve made it with the protection of other mature palms around. Harry

[quaman58]

We seem to have no problem growing V. arecina and spiralis here. I would say that joannis would prefer an additional few degrees of warmth year around, but I have a smallish one growing contentedly (even in winter so far) under some canopy.

[3 Milesfrom Gulf of Mexico]

My favorite palm.  I have one planted about a year ago and is doing nicely here in Florida.  Will try to attach picture soon.  

[Than]

4 hours ago, quaman58 said:

We seem to have no problem growing V. arecina and spiralis here. I would say that joannis would prefer an additional few degrees of warmth year around, but I have a smallish one growing contentedly (even in winter so far) under some canopy.

I thought joannis is more cold tolerant than arecina.

[quaman58]

5 hours ago, Than said:

I thought joannis is more cold tolerant than arecina.

It sure doesn't seem so at least around here. I frankly am not even aware of any mature ones in San Diego, although there must be one somewhere. Arecinas are pretty common, relatively speaking.

[happypalms]

17 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

That is a beauty . I wouldn’t mind trying a Viethcia here , now that my garden is mature. When I first moved here I had two pretty nice ones but they soon died . I can’t remember which species . I’m pretty sure they would’ve made it with the protection of other mature palms around. Harry

Give one a go Harry iam sure there are some getting around on palmtalk. Where I  collected my seeds from it gets cold in winter there I would be confident in saying plant one with winter protection and see how it goes. 
Richard 

[happypalms]

15 hours ago, quaman58 said:

We seem to have no problem growing V. arecina and spiralis here. I would say that joannis would prefer an additional few degrees of warmth year around, but I have a smallish one growing contentedly (even in winter so far) under some canopy.

I was surprised at how much cold the palm takes. I have a few arecina in greenhouse in tubes and they are taking winter pretty easy, not in the ground yet but time will tell.

[Than]

I suspect that Veitchias can take cold, when daytime quickly rises, but not wet cool when temperatures stay under 10C round the clock, even if the temperature doesn't go down to zero. Especially when the soil is wet. Is this something you'd agree with based on your observations? 

[happypalms]

10 minutes ago, Than said:

I suspect that Veitchias can take cold, when daytime quickly rises, but not wet cool when temperatures stay under 10C round the clock, even if the temperature doesn't go down to zero. Especially when the soil is wet. Is this something you'd agree with based on your observations? 

For sure they would need warm feet sooner or later. @Jonathan would testify to that trying to grow tropical looking palms in Tasmania that just suffer and eventually give up having cold feet constantly. Definitely warm weather for at least 8 months to give it some chance to get over winter.

[Than]

10 minutes ago, happypalms said:

For sure they would need warm feet sooner or later. @Jonathan would testify to that trying to grow tropical looking palms in Tasmania that just suffer and eventually give up having cold feet constantly. Definitely warm weather for at least 8 months to give it some chance to get over winter.

Sounds like some insulated heating cables around the roots might work for Jonathan.

[Berndyer]

Definitely one of my favourites. I have a well established Veitchia growing happily in Perth, Western Australia. It gets protection overhead from our hostile summer sun but gets winter sun during our wet, cold winters. Our soils are sandy so it has good drainage especially during winter. Must be the right position for it because it is always in pretty good condition throughout the year and flowering as the images show. I've planted several underneath hoping to make a clump of them at different heights.

 

 

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, Than said:

Sounds like some insulated heating cables around the roots might work for Jonathan.

Forget the cables! Move to tropical location! 

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, Berndyer said:

Definitely one of my favourites. I have a well established Veitchia growing happily in Perth, Western Australia. It gets protection overhead from our hostile summer sun but gets winter sun during our wet, cold winters. Our soils are sandy so it has good drainage especially during winter. Must be the right position for it because it is always in pretty good condition throughout the year and flowering as the images show. I've planted several underneath hoping to make a clump of them at different heights.

 

 

Nice one and in sunny Perth. Palms are rare in WA let alone an exotic one. You have done well to get a palm garden like that. Hard work and water have been your friend indeed.

[Than]

1 hour ago, Berndyer said:

Definitely one of my favourites. I have a well established Veitchia growing happily in Perth, Western Australia. It gets protection overhead from our hostile summer sun but gets winter sun during our wet, cold winters. Our soils are sandy so it has good drainage especially during winter. Must be the right position for it because it is always in pretty good condition throughout the year and flowering as the images show. I've planted several underneath hoping to make a clump of them at different heights.

 

 

Do you get any temperatures around 0 at all? Frost?

[Berndyer]

No frost but winters are relatively cool and wet with temperatures ranging from 8 - 19°C (46.4 - 66.2°F). There are occasional storms, characterised by downpours of rain and thunderstorms. We have had overnight temperatures during winter of 3-5°C but not 0. Perth is a very windy city so there can be a wind chill factor added in winter as there also can be a drying factor when windy during summer. Can be a fairly hostile environment so spend a lot of time creating a microclimate by grouping plantings. Have a swimming pool that also moderates temperatures for more tropical species planted near it. A lot of trial and error to find the right spot.

[Jonathan]

3 hours ago, Than said:

Sounds like some insulated heating cables around the roots might work for Jonathan.

I think Jonathan should stick to Rhopies, Ceroxylon and Parajubaeas and not get involved in the Veitchia business!

[Jonathan]

2 hours ago, Berndyer said:

Definitely one of my favourites. I have a well established Veitchia growing happily in Perth, Western Australia. It gets protection overhead from our hostile summer sun but gets winter sun during our wet, cold winters. Our soils are sandy so it has good drainage especially during winter. Must be the right position for it because it is always in pretty good condition throughout the year and flowering as the images show. I've planted several underneath hoping to make a clump of them at different heights.

 

 

Looking great...beautiful garden too. 

Cold is, of course, relative!

[Than]

22 minutes ago, Berndyer said:

No frost but winters are relatively cool and wet with temperatures ranging from 8 - 19°C (46.4 - 66.2°F). There are occasional storms, characterised by downpours of rain and thunderstorms. We have had overnight temperatures during winter of 3-5°C but not 0. Perth is a very windy city so there can be a wind chill factor added in winter as there also can be a drying factor when windy during summer. Can be a fairly hostile environment so spend a lot of time creating a microclimate by grouping plantings. Have a swimming pool that also moderates temperatures for more tropical species planted near it. A lot of trial and error to find the right spot.

Wind ruins some of my plants even when it's not too cold. Yet your climate sounds very mild; I wish I had it. No wonder Veitchias thrive there.

[Than]

1 hour ago, happypalms said:

Forget the cables! Move to tropical location! 

What would be the challenge then? When I lived on the equator all I had to do was throw the plants somewhere and leave them alone and I ended up having my own personal piece of paradise. But no challenge, no struggle hehe

[Jonathan]

8 hours ago, Than said:

What would be the challenge then? When I lived on the equator all I had to do was throw the plants somewhere and leave them alone and I ended up having my own personal piece of paradise. But no challenge, no struggle hehe

Agreed- when you have a bit of success, the feeling of achievement is very rewarding...the little failures along the way are part of the journey. If I lived in the tropics I'd probably want to grow apples!

[Tyrone]

14 hours ago, Berndyer said:

Definitely one of my favourites. I have a well established Veitchia growing happily in Perth, Western Australia. It gets protection overhead from our hostile summer sun but gets winter sun during our wet, cold winters. Our soils are sandy so it has good drainage especially during winter. Must be the right position for it because it is always in pretty good condition throughout the year and flowering as the images show. I've planted several underneath hoping to make a clump of them at different heights.

 

 

Awesome garden for Perth mate. What part of Perth are you in? I miss my trunking Veitchias from my old Belmont garden. No hope of growing them well down here. I miss Veitchias, Wodyetia, Wodyetia x Veitchia, Hyophorbe, Carpentaria,  and the ability to grow Carpoxylon in Perth. 

[happypalms]

20 hours ago, Jonathan said:

I think Jonathan should stick to Rhopies, Ceroxylon and Parajubaeas and not get involved in the Veitchia business!

 

20 hours ago, Jonathan said:

I think Jonathan should stick to Rhopies, Ceroxylon and Parajubaeas and not get involved in the Veitchia business!

He’s got us there you know that dont you  @Than 

[happypalms]

11 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Agreed- when you have a bit of success, the feeling of achievement is very rewarding...the little failures along the way are part of the journey. If I lived in the tropics I'd probably want to grow apples!

I thought Tasmania was full of apples 🍎 you don’t need to move to the tropics to do that you got sunny warm Tassie, just leave us to do the growing of licuala, Johannesteijsmannias, Kerriodoxas and lovely little dypsis species to us. We can handle it just fine! 

[gyuseppe]

9 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Awesome garden for Perth mate. What part of Perth are you in? I miss my trunking Veitchias from my old Belmont garden. No hope of growing them well down here. I miss Veitchias, Wodyetia, Wodyetia x Veitchia, Hyophorbe, Carpentaria,  and the ability to grow Carpoxylon in Perth. 

HelloTyrone
how are you? do you remember me ?
 once you sent me macrozamia seeds,again thanks

[Berndyer]

9 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Awesome garden for Perth mate. What part of Perth are you in? I miss my trunking Veitchias from my old Belmont garden. No hope of growing them well down here. I miss Veitchias, Wodyetia, Wodyetia x Veitchia, Hyophorbe, Carpentaria,  and the ability to grow Carpoxylon in Perth. 

Hi Tyrone, I live about 5 kms west of central Perth near Subiaco. Have been here for over 35 years and started with very little in the garden so it took a while to get a decent canopy so I could provide some protection for the more delicate palms I collected. Lost a lot of tropical species over the years but have had my successes too such as the Veitchia. Harder to get the more unusual species in Perth now since we have strict quarantine rules as you would know, so generally seeds only now, if I can. Drop in if you are ever up in Perth.

Russell

[Tyrone]

14 hours ago, Berndyer said:

Hi Tyrone, I live about 5 kms west of central Perth near Subiaco. Have been here for over 35 years and started with very little in the garden so it took a while to get a decent canopy so I could provide some protection for the more delicate palms I collected. Lost a lot of tropical species over the years but have had my successes too such as the Veitchia. Harder to get the more unusual species in Perth now since we have strict quarantine rules as you would know, so generally seeds only now, if I can. Drop in if you are ever up in Perth.

Russell

That’s a good area. Milder than out Belmont where I was. Not as cold in winter and earlier sea breezes in summer which helps. We’re you ever a member of PACSOWA? You would have started your garden in the glory days of palm collecting. Now Rosebud Farm has gone it’s left a huge dent in what we get over here. Seed is it. Fewer specialty palm nurseries too. Glad you’ve kept your palm garden going for so long. I would love to see it one day. 

[Tyrone]

15 hours ago, gyuseppe said:

HelloTyrone
how are you? do you remember me ?
 once you sent me macrozamia seeds,again thanks

Hey gyuseppe. I’m trying to recall sending those seed. Maybe old age is setting in, as I honestly can’t remember doing that, but did they grow for you?
 

Perth and the SW of Oz have heaps around the place. Quite often you will see old ones left from when they cleared the suburbs for houses growing on the verge and occasionally they set seed. I just picked up some M fraseri seed from a council verge a few weeks back. The plant predated European settlement here most likely but no one even notices them really. 

[gyuseppe]

2 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Hey gyuseppe. I’m trying to recall sending those seed. Maybe old age is setting in, as I honestly can’t remember doing that, but did they grow for you?
 

Perth and the SW of Oz have heaps around the place. Quite often you will see old ones left from when they cleared the suburbs for houses growing on the verge and occasionally they set seed. I just picked up some M fraseri seed from a council verge a few weeks back. The plant predated European settlement here most likely but no one even notices them really. 

you sent me macrozamia riedley  20 seeds! 15 years ago!
they grew so well in the pots, but then they all died because it got I was sick   and I couldn't water them

[Brad52]

This might be my favorite palm tree. I think I have 11 now, but recently the feral hogs have really tried to destroy the last five I planted.  This area needed to be mowed a few days ago but nothing to mow now. 

[Tyrone]

21 hours ago, gyuseppe said:

you sent me macrozamia riedley  20 seeds! 15 years ago!
they grew so well in the pots, but then they all died because it got I was sick   and I couldn't water them

Yes, I remember now. I’m sorry they died. 

[happypalms]

14 hours ago, Brad52 said:

This might be my favorite palm tree. I think I have 11 now, but recently the feral hogs have really tried to destroy the last five I planted.  This area needed to be mowed a few days ago but nothing to mow now. 

Absolutely gorgeous palms you got there a true winner when grown to perfection.