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DFW Washingtonia - The Few The Proud


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Wanted to start this thread to document the remaining Washingtonia left in DFW.

Prior to February 2021, there were some very impressive specimens, however most died in 2021. Unfortunately, most that survived 2021 have since died. In 2022 we hit 11F, and last January we hit 10F.

With that being said, there are still some nice filifera here if you know where to look.

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Downtown near aquarium - thick filifera. Likely guerrilla planted about 10 years ago. This screenshot below was only 5 months after we hit 10F last winter.

This thing has been getting super thick over the past few years, now I'm hoping it will start growing vertically and put on some height. 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.798466,-96.8252214,3a,75y,51.68h,84.07t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ!2e0!5s20220401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.930334393494846%26panoid%3Dv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ%26yaw%3D51.67941052914032!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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Haven't been back to check on these in awhile, however these washinggtonias at Rosa's cafe near hulen mall in fort worth get the trunks wrapped in winter, so I'm hopeful they are still alive. Seeing how much faster they recovered after 2021 than non protected specimens gives me hope

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.798466,-96.8252214,3a,75y,51.68h,84.07t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ!2e0!5s20220401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.930334393494846%26panoid%3Dv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ%26yaw%3D51.67941052914032!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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There are a bunch of them out here.. Tony has many, planted many, and I've started a few here at our place.. but photos of his Washingtonia filifera

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Most of his are still on the property but he has planted them ALL over DFW....  There are a few in the suburbs as well

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I have two that are very small still compartively but they are chugging along and don't seem phased by 9.9f last year even at a small size.  Ideal palm for DFW!

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While the two tall ones at Oak Lawn Library are sadly gone. Looks like a volunteer survived. Seeing how tall the previous two got in just a few decades, I'd expect similar results for this one

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1 hour ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Haven't been back to check on these in awhile, however these washinggtonias at Rosa's cafe near hulen mall in fort worth get the trunks wrapped in winter, so I'm hopeful they are still alive. Seeing how much faster they recovered after 2021 than non protected specimens gives me hope

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.798466,-96.8252214,3a,75y,51.68h,84.07t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ!2e0!5s20220401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.930334393494846%26panoid%3Dv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ%26yaw%3D51.67941052914032!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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Oh wow, Dreamin', I had not noticed Hulen area ones but those have to be either planted large or pretty old specimens! Look like a post card!

On down from Market Center is that Strip Club between 183 split & 35E

20240718_193156_HDR.thumb.jpg.1e2de093e1d39e1c5354063a69b73be5.jpgthis one had almost a full crown by summer:s end but had not taken pic b4 latest freezes

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3 minutes ago, palmnut-fry said:

Oh wow, Dreamin', I had not noticed Hulen area ones but those have to be either planted large or pretty old specimens! Look like a post card!

On down from Market Center is that Strip Club between 183 split & 35E

20240718_193156_HDR.thumb.jpg.1e2de093e1d39e1c5354063a69b73be5.jpgthis one had almost a full crown by summer:s end but had not taken pic b4 latest freezes

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Unfortunately according to Google maps, the one at the Garland cafe has since died. Mid summer last year was pushing zero growth

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8594814,-96.6461285,3a,40.8y,44.24h,84.14t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s2D_hpHnXQPh-13tuytv6ig!2e0!5s20240601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.857475577225841%26panoid%3D2D_hpHnXQPh-13tuytv6ig%26yaw%3D44.2383126234247!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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My bad, that shot you have is the ones left by the club!

No, i go by that Garland one last 30 years and it grew out a new head this year but have not seen it last couple weeks since we plunged in 20s but it should be ok, not so ferocious this winter! TG

Cheers🌴❄️🌴

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2 minutes ago, palmnut-fry said:

My bad, that shot you have is the ones left by the club!

No, i go by that Garland one last 30 years and it grew out a new head this year but have not seen it last couple weeks since we plunged in 20s but it should be ok, not so ferocious this winter! TG

Cheers🌴❄️🌴

Thank goodness! I'm glad to hear. 

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I wonder why there is such a difference in survival rate in west Texas? Dry cold maybe? There are tons of these from Midland out to Pecos, all in 8A. I didn’t really go looking for them after 2021 but I see so many medium to large trees that were surely around before 2021 and I’m guessing a lot were not protected in 2021. I’ve only seen a few standing that are dead. I’m guessing the survival rate out here was easily above 75% and they likely see colder temperatures than Dallas more often. I think one thing about Pecos that keeps them happy is how much the temperature rebounds during the day even after cold nights compared to other places in Texas. The day to night swings in temps are pretty crazy.

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42 minutes ago, KPoff said:

I wonder why there is such a difference in survival rate in west Texas? Dry cold maybe? There are tons of these from Midland out to Pecos, all in 8A. I didn’t really go looking for them after 2021 but I see so many medium to large trees that were surely around before 2021 and I’m guessing a lot were not protected in 2021. I’ve only seen a few standing that are dead. I’m guessing the survival rate out here was easily above 75% and they likely see colder temperatures than Dallas more often. I think one thing about Pecos that keeps them happy is how much the temperature rebounds during the day even after cold nights compared to other places in Texas. The day to night swings in temps are pretty crazy.

Def, my family was from out by Big Springs, where there were none that i noticed, but gradually you see here and there the farther West you go. If they survived the Frigid Twenties thus far, then that is a testament to the dry freeze survivability rates. In Dallas Washingtons were killed much higher rates, and, very old ones too. Those ahown above were as good as it got as so far as height/age for that species goes around here. But peeps will replant as they grow fast and are cheaply mass produced. I only planted a few since i've been growing but had them perish within only a couple years (so never did try again- plus they are so GD prickly🖐️😑)

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2 minutes ago, palmnut-fry said:

Def, my family was from out by Big Springs, where there were none that i noticed, but gradually you see here and there the farther West you go. If they survived the Frigid Twenties thus far, then that is a testament to the dry freeze survivability rates. In Dallas Washingtons were killed much higher rates, and, very old ones too. Those ahown above were as good as it got as so far as height/age for that species goes around here. But peeps will replant as they grow fast and are cheaply mass produced. I only planted a few since i've been growing but had them perish within only a couple years (so never did try again- plus they are so GD prickly🖐️😑)

@palmnut-fry yeah I live in Big Spring and there are a few around but not many. Surprisingly as you go west to midland/odessa there is a decent temperature difference. Midland is 40 miles away but almost 8b vs 8a in Big Spring. Anyways there are some neighborhoods in midland and Odessa where almost every other house has one. I am going to plant one in the ground in Big Spring in a few months and see how it goes. Everything I’ve seen from the Midland trees appears that the cold January has not affected unprotected trees in any way.

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7 minutes ago, palmnut-fry said:

Def, my family was from out by Big Springs, where there were none that i noticed, but gradually you see here and there the farther West you go. If they survived the Frigid Twenties thus far, then that is a testament to the dry freeze survivability rates. In Dallas Washingtons were killed much higher rates, and, very old ones too. Those ahown above were as good as it got as so far as height/age for that species goes around here. But peeps will replant as they grow fast and are cheaply mass produced. I only planted a few since i've been growing but had them perish within only a couple years (so never did try again- plus they are so GD prickly🖐️😑)

@palmnut-fry another interesting note is that of all the nurseries in the area I don’t see filifera at any of them, so I’m very curious where they all came from to begin with.

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1 hour ago, KPoff said:

I wonder why there is such a difference in survival rate in west Texas? Dry cold maybe? There are tons of these from Midland out to Pecos, all in 8A. I didn’t really go looking for them after 2021 but I see so many medium to large trees that were surely around before 2021 and I’m guessing a lot were not protected in 2021. I’ve only seen a few standing that are dead. I’m guessing the survival rate out here was easily above 75% and they likely see colder temperatures than Dallas more often. I think one thing about Pecos that keeps them happy is how much the temperature rebounds during the day even after cold nights compared to other places in Texas. The day to night swings in temps are pretty crazy.

Dry cold definitely makes a huge difference, but also Dallas has historically had a lot of Hybrids where as out in west Texas people only plant filiferas. Purish filiferas around Dallas do have a decent survival rate 

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1 hour ago, KPoff said:

@palmnut-fry yeah I live in Big Spring and there are a few around but not many. Surprisingly as you go west to midland/odessa there is a decent temperature difference. Midland is 40 miles away but almost 8b vs 8a in Big Spring. Anyways there are some neighborhoods in midland and Odessa where almost every other house has one. I am going to plant one in the ground in Big Spring in a few months and see how it goes. Everything I’ve seen from the Midland trees appears that the cold January has not affected unprotected trees in any way.

Often overlooked is elevation. 

Midland is 300' higher than Big Spring.  A big deal in the plains of West Texas.

Air does not transfer heat well in a vacuum, and the sun is much stronger, radiationial heat transfer comes into play. 

This is a map of winter solar insolation.  There is much more involved than "dry" cold. Map_USWinterInsolation1-Palmtalk.jpg.7f6fd2da092a96ad1299c8b08554c563.jpg.2bf1ff6441058e3db360f12de6e8ead3.jpg

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3 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Often overlooked is elevation. 

Midland is 300' higher than Big Spring.  A big deal in the plains of West Texas.

Air does not transfer heat well in a vacuum, and the sun is much stronger, radiationial heat transfer comes into play. 

This is a map of winter solar insolation.  It has much more to do with than "dry" cold. Map_USWinterInsolation1-Palmtalk.jpg.7f6fd2da092a96ad1299c8b08554c563.jpg.2bf1ff6441058e3db360f12de6e8ead3.jpg

@jwitt this is good information, I’ve wondered about that as well. I see a lot of other plants in Midland growing in what I’m sure are unprotected conditions such as chamaerops and sago palms. It seems like even a fair amount of the large transplanted sabals do ok. The gas stations that bring in the big ones to put out front seem to have 3/4 still alive after the winters.

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You can only see one from this pic (barely), but here's two more massive ones off Rosemade parkway in Carrollton. 

Haven't been back since last January to check on these, but they came back pretty quickly from 2021 and 2022 freezes so I have hope they are still here. 

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https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0118069,-96.8612103,3a,75y,341.76h,79.08t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1shmUi2VZrD0WzbM1F2cju8Q!2e0!5s20240101T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.920699630211814%26panoid%3DhmUi2VZrD0WzbM1F2cju8Q%26yaw%3D341.7590566538282!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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Had a chance to go check out the Filiferas at Bombshells today. They look better than I expected - looks no different than any you would find in San Antonio or further south 

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On 1/22/2025 at 8:16 AM, KPoff said:

I wonder why there is such a difference in survival rate in west Texas? Dry cold maybe? There are tons of these from Midland out to Pecos, all in 8A. I didn’t really go looking for them after 2021 but I see so many medium to large trees that were surely around before 2021 and I’m guessing a lot were not protected in 2021. I’ve only seen a few standing that are dead. I’m guessing the survival rate out here was easily above 75% and they likely see colder temperatures than Dallas more often. I think one thing about Pecos that keeps them happy is how much the temperature rebounds during the day even after cold nights compared to other places in Texas. The day to night swings in temps are pretty crazy.

DFW area averages 36 inches precip per year. Lubbock averages about half that. Driving west on I20, you can see it in the flora.

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On 1/21/2025 at 12:24 PM, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Downtown near aquarium - thick filifera. Likely guerrilla planted about 10 years ago. This screenshot below was only 5 months after we hit 10F last winter.

This thing has been getting super thick over the past few years, now I'm hoping it will start growing vertically and put on some height. 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.798466,-96.8252214,3a,75y,51.68h,84.07t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ!2e0!5s20220401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.930334393494846%26panoid%3Dv4iMdCV2NBe_Cqpf_q2sQQ%26yaw%3D51.67941052914032!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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this could be really stupid of me but you’re sure that’s a washingtonia right? i’m looking at this on a small screen but i almost get chinensis vibes

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10 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

this could be really stupid of me but you’re sure that’s a washingtonia right? i’m looking at this on a small screen but i almost get chinensis vibes

I get what you mean It looks weird in that picture. I’ll try to get a new pic it’s right by my office. Looks very Filifera ish in person 

Posted
3 hours ago, SeanK said:

DFW area averages 36 inches precip per year. Lubbock averages about half that. Driving west on I20, you can see it in the flora.

Got any examples of any palms in Lubbock? Sounds interesting.

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7 hours ago, jwitt said:

Got any examples of any palms in Lubbock? Sounds interesting.

There’s nothing in Lubbock, except maybe some small ratty transplanted windmill palms in peoples yard. Big spring is about as far north as you can find them in west Texas 

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2 hours ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

There’s nothing in Lubbock, except maybe some small ratty transplanted windmill palms in peoples yard. Big spring is about as far north as you can find them in west Texas 

Live oaks and Southern magnolia in Lubbock.  I have not seen any palm survive more than a year or two.  Would surely like to see one. 

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30 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Live oaks and Southern magnolia in Lubbock.  I have not seen any palm survive more than a year or two.  Would surely like to see one. 

Midland low temps by year vs. lubbock low temps by year.

I’m sure it’s possible given that there are hundreds of them in midland Odessa. If I was living out there I’d try a Filifera planted against a dark colored southern facing wall. It would get defoliated every year but would have more than enough time to regrow a full crown with the long growing season and high heat in the summer. 

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18 hours ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Had a chance to go check out the Filiferas at Bombshells today. They look better than I expected - looks no different than any you would find in San Antonio or further south 

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Wow they really do but we lost so many in the last few years. The ratio for dead stumps (massive like an elephant's foot) 2 outta 3 😪

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54 minutes ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Midland low temps by year vs. lubbock low temps by year.

I’m sure it’s possible given that there are hundreds of them in midland Odessa. If I was living out there I’d try a Filifera planted against a dark colored southern facing wall. It would get defoliated every year but would have more than enough time to regrow a full crown with the long growing season and high heat in the summer. 

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Zone 7b vs 8a. Yet not one Trachy.  

Weird since it is "dry"

Must be more to the story up on the caprock!

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8 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Zone 7b vs 8a. Yet not one Trachy.  

Weird since it is "dry"

Must be more to the story up on the caprock!

In Midland actually there are some decent looking Trachys. I was pleasantly surprised 

Posted
19 hours ago, jwitt said:

Got any examples of any palms in Lubbock? Sounds interesting.

Probably too cold. But I've never been out that way.

Posted
1 hour ago, SeanK said:

Probably too cold. But I've never been out that way.

It's a 7b.  A dry one at that. Largest cotton producing area in the US. 

Weird 

Posted
On 1/21/2025 at 12:17 PM, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Wanted to start this thread to document the remaining Washingtonia left in DFW.

Prior to February 2021, there were some very impressive specimens, however most died in 2021. Unfortunately, most that survived 2021 have since died. In 2022 we hit 11F, and last January we hit 10F.

With that being said, there are still some nice filifera here if you know where to look.

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Beautiful but sorta misleading chart as winters are experienced grouped (i e.Winter of '20-21, '21-22, etc

Also, note that duration of freezes, 2021 was over 70 hrs below 32° the subsequent ones almost as long. This week's was only 12 or so below, so i lucked out not covering much 

PS- drove by tonight and the Garland Cafe fighter looks fine, if worse fer wear!

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8 hours ago, palmnut-fry said:

Beautiful but sorta misleading chart as winters are experienced grouped (i e.Winter of '20-21, '21-22, etc

Also, note that duration of freezes, 2021 was over 70 hrs below 32° the subsequent ones almost as long. This week's was only 12 or so below, so i lucked out not covering much 

PS- drove by tonight and the Garland Cafe fighter looks fine, if worse fer wear!

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Glad it’s alive but it’s not looking too healthy compared to others around here. Based on google maps it didn’t even start recovering from the January 2024 10F blast until mid summer. Suprising considering proximity to building.  Someone needs to go there in middle of night and give it some fertilizer or something.

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Slight bronzing after a few mornings in the 20’s on these newly planted Washingtonias at LaPasha, a Persian restaurant in Addison. There are probably 20 of them at least scattered between parking lot and around building. The ones around the building were wrapped up but parking lot ones were not strangely enough. 
 

Will be curious to see how this goes - if we don’t get any more zone 7 winters for awhile this could become a pretty cool place a few years down the road. Not to mention all the potential volunteers that would pop up around the area if these things get old enough. 

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