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Filifera spear pull help

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By Ltapia
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Ltapia Community Regular

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Hey guys my parents have two filiferas after some rain here in Rio Rancho NM and a cold front one of there palms had spear pull any way we could bring it back any tips or ideas would be helpful I was going to give them copper fungicide ?

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How large are these?

By now, temperatures are rising and hydrogen peroxide may be sufficient as the growing season restarts.

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Ltapia Community Regular

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12 minutes ago, SeanK said:

How large are these?

By now, temperatures are rising and hydrogen peroxide may be sufficient as the growing season restarts.

I’ll send a picture 

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22 minutes ago, SeanK said:

How large are these?

By now, temperatures are rising and hydrogen peroxide may be sufficient as the growing season restarts.

There about 3 ft tall I would say .

jwitt Veteran

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Trunk cut to see if tissue is alive.  

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10 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Trunk cut to see if tissue is alive.  

Should I try peroxide or copper fungicide first ?

Allen Grand Master

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perozide.  if all fronds are brown trunk cut. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9zPxk5EjY

 

 

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trunk cut if all fronds are brown to repeat

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Trunk cut first. I use a reciprocating saw.  

Then hydrogen peroxide. 

Looks pretty young. May be gone. 

I got 1 "grove of 18 month seedlings that survived, 4 of 5 seedlings.  So I suggest seeding in place if possible.  All my potted transplants died.  Just a thought. 

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Ltapia Community Regular

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2 hours ago, jwitt said:

Trunk cut first. I use a reciprocating saw.  

Then hydrogen peroxide. 

Looks pretty young. May be gone. 

I got 1 "grove of 18 month seedlings that survived, 4 of 5 seedlings.  So I suggest seeding in place if possible.  All my potted transplants died.  Just a thought. 

Ok for sure thanks guys I’m gonna try cutting it then will apply peroxide.

13 hours ago, Ltapia said:

Nice video so try 1 .peroxide, 2.copper fungicide, 3 trunk cut ?

 

WSimpson Veteran

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I cut this Washy back to healthy growth . It's coming back nicely .

Will

 

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ABQPalms Community Regular

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Now that it's warming up, Irrigate it everyday for a month. I never tried the trunk cut but I've heard it works. And yes, use peroxide! 

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Ltapia Community Regular

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Thanks guys I’ll keep you guys updated hoping for the best .

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Las Palmas Norte Grand Master

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I've wondered about this "trunk cut" strategy, & if it's repeated with regular frequency. Is this a one off emergency step only? I can't see a borderline palm being subjected to too much surgery or what it would eventually look like.

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2 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

I've wondered about this "trunk cut" strategy, & if it's repeated with regular frequency. Is this a one off emergency step only? I can't see a borderline palm being subjected to too much surgery or what it would eventually look like.

It is not actually the trunk that is being cut as the cut must be close to, or above the meristem.  So, therefore, no damage to the trunk.  You are cutting thru actual leaf bases. 

At least that is what I have seen on mine.  

1 successful, 1 not.

4 years later, cannot tell. 

I used to think the same. 

Easily seen in Will's pic

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Las Palmas Norte Grand Master

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2 hours ago, jwitt said:

It is not actually the trunk that is being cut as the cut must be close to, or above the meristem. ...

OK, so the name "trunk cut" is incorrectly named.

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Looks like trunk until you realize palms don't have rings.  

Got a better name?

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Las Palmas Norte Grand Master

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1 hour ago, jwitt said:

... Got a better name?

Crown cut?

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1 hour ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Crown cut?

Crown cut vs trunk cut in my mind.  

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Ltapia Community Regular

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On 4/8/2025 at 7:11 PM, jwitt said:

Crown cut vs trunk cut in my mind.  

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Ltapia Community Regular

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It doesn’t look promising ..

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I would imagine you should see movement this week, if alive. 

If the center white part is mushy/slimy and not firm, it is probably gone. 

Looks like it was gonna be a fatty!

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4 hours ago, Ltapia said:

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Don't give up on it because I had a Sabal palmetto that when I pulled  on  the spear the entire center came out and since it was a small palm and the trunk was close to the ground it left a hole in the ground . I didn't put fungicide or anything in the hole because I was sure it was a goner . I happened to be near the palm on a  hot July day and damn if it was growing out again .

I would make sure that you get down into that mushy part and scoop it out till you get to live tissue , and then peroxide and fungicide can keep it free of bacteria . Then when the heat kicks in during the summer you may be surprised .

Keep us posted . 

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Ltapia Community Regular

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Thanks guys I cut down till the middle was solid with some peroxide poured on top I will keep you guys posted … So I have a trachy in my yard the cold pretty much took all the fronds it’s about two feet of trunk with zero protection it seems like it dried up no spear pull I do see a green tip deep in the hole but it’s not doing anything no movement at all any ideas ?

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13 hours ago, Ltapia said:

Thanks guys I cut down till the middle was solid with some peroxide poured on top I will keep you guys posted … So I have a trachy in my yard the cold pretty much took all the fronds it’s about two feet of trunk with zero protection it seems like it dried up no spear pull I do see a green tip deep in the hole but it’s not doing anything no movement at all any ideas ?

Keep well watered.

Wait for it to push since it did not pull. 

Here, they are slower to recover than washies and take about 1.5 growing seasons to regain a full head. Longer if not properly watered. 

They are tuff, good luck. 

That said, there are Trachy experts on here, way more in tune on this species than I will ever be. 

Might want to do a separate post to get those experts involved. 

 

 

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Mazat Grand Master

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On 4/10/2025 at 2:26 PM, Ltapia said:

It doesn’t look promising ..

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I would also wait

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Ok thanks I will keep it well watered with the trachy and keep you guys updated !!

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48 hours of growth off a Washingtonia post trunk cut. 

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1 hour ago, NC-Key-Bar said:

48 hours of growth off a Washingtonia post trunk cut. 

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Gives us hope thx man !

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On 4/7/2025 at 8:21 AM, jwitt said:

Trunk cut first. I use a reciprocating saw.  

Then hydrogen peroxide. 

Looks pretty young. May be gone. 

I got 1 "grove of 18 month seedlings that survived, 4 of 5 seedlings.  So I suggest seeding in place if possible.  All my potted transplants died.  Just a thought. 

Hey jwitt - have any pics of your seedlings that survived over the winter? I’m curious what kind of protection you used. 

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11 hours ago, Dpalms said:

Hey jwitt - have any pics of your seedlings that survived over the winter? I’m curious what kind of protection you used. 

Winter protection set up in December (rock/thermal mass is important)IMG_20241206_145956_MP.thumb.jpg.226ad7aae385628f6ccec7584534b766.jpg

 

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Dpalms Apprentice

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I like that setup. Yes the rocks will be expel heat all night during a cold winter night. Thanks for sharing

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1 hour ago, Dpalms said:

I like that setup. Yes the rocks will be expel heat all night during a cold winter night. Thanks for sharing

Had another grove that succumbed. The rocks were smaller. So that is my hunch. 

This is their second winter they have seen 

11f 2023/24 winter

4f 2024/25 winter. 

I keep rocks in place until trunk mass is achieved(5-7 years).  This method has worked well for me in my climate, seeding in place vs. planting from pot. 

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Mazat Grand Master

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On 4/12/2025 at 4:36 PM, jwitt said:

Winter protection set up in December (rock/thermal mass is important)IMG_20241206_145956_MP.thumb.jpg.226ad7aae385628f6ccec7584534b766.jpg

 

Today IMG_20250412_082802_MP.thumb.jpg.860228a253e34e0657098cc05bcf2464.jpgIMG_20250412_082806_MP.thumb.jpg.46a2c3f750b7ab8fb3e987d413da2b9a.jpg

a very good idea with this variant of winter protection and it works great.

And the dog 🤗😄 helps too. So it's twice as good

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In January i lost a trio of robusta seedlings to the cold, or at least i thought i did. I did trunk cut them, but after a month of seeing no growth i tossed the rootball in my backyard and gave up. 

Now today i walk past it and see one of the seedlings pushing green. I’ve potted it back up for now so we’ll see. Should be fun to watch now that it’s warm again 

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45 minutes ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

In January i lost a trio of robusta seedlings to the cold, or at least i thought i did. I did trunk cut them, but after a month of seeing no growth i tossed the rootball in my backyard and gave up. 

Now today i walk past it and see one of the seedlings pushing green. I’ve potted it back up for now so we’ll see. Should be fun to watch now that it’s warm again 

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Oh wow looks like the guy pulled through yes I seen mine yesterday looks like some thing is forming I’m gonna keep my fingers crossed !

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2019 vs 2024. What doesn’t kill it only makes it stronger.

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1 hour ago, NMPalmjunky said:

2019 vs 2024. What doesn’t kill it only makes it stronger.

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Oh wow your palm bounced back quick it looks really good what did you use to protect it in the winter ?

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