Phönix canariensis or Hybrid ?

[Mazat]

after looking at CIDPs and other exotics yesterday, I was extremely surprised by Sabine today.

A CIDP is definitely how she is described. However, very self ...

by the way from italy🤗😁

[NC_Palms]

It is really hard to tell imo. To me it looks like a CIDP but the majority of Phoenix species planted probably have some sort mixed genetics. 

[Mazat]

7 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

It is really hard to tell imo. To me it looks like a CIDP but the majority of Phoenix species planted probably have some sort mixed genetics. 

Yes, your view is very interesting and there must be something about genetics.

by the way, Sabine once bought a phoenix reclinata, but it was only described as phoenix. but a gift is a gift and I'm always happy about it 😀

i rather think that it is again a phoenix reclinata although it is clearly described with CIDP or maybe a hybrid form of CIDP.

the two trunks are also special and not in a CIDP or am I wrong ?

the spines and leaves are also not extremely sharp, although the plant is only just over 2ft / 60cm high and is still very young.

we will be planting them out soon and Sabine has received permission for the community garden.

[Mazat]

[NC_Palms]

5 hours ago, Mazat said:

i rather think that it is again a phoenix reclinata although it is clearly described with CIDP or maybe a hybrid form of CIDP.

the two trunks are also special and not in a CIDP or am I wrong ?

the spines and leaves are also not extremely sharp, although the plant is only just over 2ft / 60cm high and is still very young.

maybe someone who might be a little more familiar can chime in, but to me it looks like two CIDPs that were planted in one pot. 

P reclinata is very spiny. Which is leading me away from thinking your palm is that. 

I’m still going to say it’s P. canariensis but if someone else has any other ideas i’ll love to hear it.

[Fusca]

I agree, looks like two individual palms in the pot.  In the Phoenix palms that sucker (theophrasti, reclinata, dactylifera, etc.) that I have grown the suckers start above the soil level and are obviously attached to the main stem.  And there's usually more than one sucker at the same time.  If that were one suckering palm with a single sucker the main stem would be significantly larger than the sucker.  Below is a hybrid sylvestris/ dactylifera with a new sucker.

[Mazat]

18 hours ago, Fusca said:

I agree, looks like two individual palms in the pot.  In the Phoenix palms that sucker (theophrasti, reclinata, dactylifera, etc.) that I have grown the suckers start above the soil level and are obviously attached to the main stem.  And there's usually more than one sucker at the same time.  If that were one suckering palm with a single sucker the main stem would be significantly larger than the sucker.  Below is a hybrid sylvestris/ dactylifera with a new sucker.

You are both right.

Since we couldn't leave it alone, we took a closer look at what it is, CIDP.

Two

At the same time, I couldn't get the two apart without damaging something

[Mazat]

22 hours ago, Mazat said:

You are both right.

Since we couldn't leave it alone, we took a closer look at what it is, CIDP.

Two

At the same time, I couldn't get the two apart without damaging something

We replanted them afterwards.

Sabine doesn't want me to separate it 

[Mazat]

On 4/12/2025 at 7:25 PM, Fusca said:

I agree, looks like two individual palms in the pot.  In the Phoenix palms that sucker (theophrasti, reclinata, dactylifera, etc.) that I have grown the suckers start above the soil level and are obviously attached to the main stem.  And there's usually more than one sucker at the same time.  If that were one suckering palm with a single sucker the main stem would be significantly larger than the sucker.  Below is a hybrid sylvestris/ dactylifera with a new sucker.

the persuasion work has borne fruit.

 

I separated the CIDP by hand and didn't damage any roots, but I'm a bit tired now...

 

Each one now has its own place.

 

both locations are good for protecting 

 

grows dear CIDP grows 🤗

thank you also very much for your explinations and Informations 🤗😄

[Mazat]

On 4/12/2025 at 5:39 PM, NC_Palms said:

maybe someone who might be a little more familiar can chime in, but to me it looks like two CIDPs that were planted in one pot. 

P reclinata is very spiny. Which is leading me away from thinking your palm is that. 

I’m still going to say it’s P. canariensis but if someone else has any other ideas i’ll love to hear it.

the persuasion work has borne fruit.

I separated the CIDP by hand and didn't damage any roots, but I'm a bit tired now...

Each one now has its own place.

both locations are good for protecting 

 

grows dear CIDP grows 🤗

thank you also very much for your explinations and Informations 🤗😄

[Banana Belt]

Something to keep in mind when planting a CIDP is that they get really big even before a trunk emerges.  A CIDP will consume 25 square meters of space easily.