Pine tree id

[PAPalmtrees]

Hello everybody I need some help identifying this pine tree my guess is loblolly pine but what do you guys think?

[Silas_Sancona]

14 hours ago, PAPalmtrees said:

Hello everybody I need some help identifying this pine tree my guess is loblolly pine but what do you guys think?

Open / closed Cones?

[PAPalmtrees]

4 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Open / closed Cones?

I'll go check real quick

[PAPalmtrees]

20 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Open / closed Cones?

  here are some pictures of the Cones

[Silas_Sancona]

39 minutes ago, PAPalmtrees said:

  here are some pictures of the Cones

Inc. P. tadea, here are a couple to look over / start from..

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/59921-Pinus-taeda

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/49396-Pinus-echinata

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/53464-Pinus-rigida

From the look of it's observed distribution, Loblolly would occur on the coastal side of Penn. .Obviously doesn't mean there might not be any planted under the radar outside that area..

P. rigida appears to extend further west / north / inland ( from the coastal side of the state ), while P. echinata reaches the southeastern side of the Appalachian Mtns.

P. virginia  would be another contender worth mentioning ( Cones have prickles ) but the needles on it appear to be pretty short..


Going with photo obvs.,  cones don't look exact for tadea   ..too oval shaped rather than the round / globular shape of the cones off your tree.. Then again, that could vary -slightly- depending on location.. They also have the distinct prickle on the end of the scales, .so.. 🤔

[PAPalmtrees]

33 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Inc. P. tadea, here are a couple to look over / start from..

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/59921-Pinus-taeda

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/49396-Pinus-echinata

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/53464-Pinus-rigida

From the look of it's observed distribution, Loblolly would occur on the coastal side of Penn. .Obviously doesn't mean there might not be any planted under the radar outside that area..

P. rigida appears to extend further west / north / inland ( from the coastal side of the state ), while P. echinata reaches the southeastern side of the Appalachian Mtns.

P. virginia  would be another contender worth mentioning ( Cones have prickles ) but the needles on it appear to be pretty short..


Going with photo obvs.,  cones don't look exact for tadea   ..too oval shaped rather than the round / globular shape of the cones off your tree.. Then again, that could vary -slightly- depending on location.. They also have the distinct prickle on the end of the scales, .so.. 🤔

I'm sorry I'm very dyslexic So from what I understand you're saying this is a loblolly pine? They are native about an hour away in Winchester VA

[Silas_Sancona]

2 minutes ago, PAPalmtrees said:

I'm sorry I'm very dyslexic So from what I understand you're saying this is a loblolly pine? They are native about an hour away in Winchester VA

Going w/ the rounder shape of the cones,  P. rigida..  < Pitch Pine.. > is a better fit than Loblolly..

[PAPalmtrees]

1 minute ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Going w/ the rounder shape of the cones,  P. rigida..  < Pitch Pine.. > is a better fit than Loblolly..

Okay thank you I was looking on inaturalist and there is some observations of Loblolly Pine in the area

[Silas_Sancona]

24 minutes ago, PAPalmtrees said:

Okay thank you I was looking on inaturalist and there is some observations of Loblolly Pine in the area

As mentioned here and there in the past,  While iNat. is a great resource, ..it is far from perfect, lol..  Have seen some - very obvious - miss IDs when looking at various things -Plants esp.-

Loblolly may occur nearby but, if the majority of  " Verified / Research Grade " ( = Green ) observations for that sp. have longer, oval- shaped cones, rather than rounder ones seen on the specimen you're trying to ID, it may not be that sp.

An interesting side note worth looking into; there is a naturally occurring cross between the two sps.. Pinus rigida x tadea (  " Pitlolly " Pine  ) as well.

Another great resource for Pine identification?, the Gymnosperm / Conifers.org  Database: 

https://www.conifers.org/pi/Pinus_taeda.php

https://www.conifers.org/pi/Pinus_rigida.php
 

[PAPalmtrees]

2 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

As mentioned here and there in the past,  While iNat. is a great resource, ..it is far from perfect, lol..  Have seen some - very obvious - miss IDs when looking at various things -Plants esp.-

Loblolly may occur nearby but, if the majority of  " Verified / Research Grade " ( = Green ) observations for that sp. have longer, oval- shaped cones, rather than rounder ones seen on the specimen you're trying to ID, it may not be that sp.

An interesting side note worth looking into; there is a naturally occurring cross between the two sps.. Pinus rigida x tadea (  " Pitlolly " Pine  ) as well.

Another great resource for Pine identification?, the Gymnosperm / Conifers.org  Database: 

https://www.conifers.org/pi/Pinus_taeda.php

https://www.conifers.org/pi/Pinus_rigida.php
 

Thanks for all the information. I have heard of Pitlolly Pine.

[NC_Palms]

I have seen Loblollies in Winchester, VA but this isn't that. The needles are too short and loblollies have different shaped cones. I am going to say pitch pine. The cone and needle length looks very similar to that species.

 

Pitch pine (top) and loblolly (bottom)

[SeanK]

Quick look seems like pitch pine.  Branching not right for loblolly and needles to dense (+ long) for VA.

[ChrisA]

What about Pinus resinosa, Red Pine?  The needles are all in groups of three? 

[NC_Palms]

On 4/17/2025 at 3:33 AM, ChrisA said:

What about Pinus resinosa, Red Pine?  The needles are all in groups of three? 

Red pine is not found this far south, so if it is a wild plant, the chances of this are slim to none. Red pine also has shorter needles and smaller, oval shape cones if i recall correctly.