Dypsis identification young plant mystery

[sydneypalms]

please ID this dypsis for me.  lost the label a yr ago. weve ruled out > albofarinosa, arenarum, malcomberi, decaryi, bef), it was struggling to vigor in the 1st year, sydney region, most of this growth in the fotos is this past years growth,  so its become more vigorous, and looks like it will start envigorating more from now..  i think its about 2 yrs old ? maybe less.  i have grown many seedlings, so its not a decaryi or a true one if thats what anyones thinking, i have thise at home, and they dont struggle as this one is.  it is 1 pf the less collected dypsises for sure. 

[Billeb]

The new leaf and stem color kinda remind me of Dypsis Ambositrae. But Ambositrae aren’t typically THAT colorful and I’ve not seen them as bulbous at the base. Does the plant have a heel? If not, that’s definitely ruled out. Is it possibly a hybrid? 
 

-dale 

[tim_brissy_13]

@sydneypalms what was the origin of seed? I’m just curious how you’ve ruled out some specific species. 
 

Homestly, if you just posted the photos with no other info, I’d have said Chrysalidocarpus decaryi but not with a great level of confidence. Is there are reason why it can’t be other than this palm has been struggling more than others you’ve grown?

[sydneypalms]

4 hours ago, Billeb said:

The new leaf and stem color kinda remind me of Dypsis Ambositrae. But Ambositrae aren’t typically THAT colorful and I’ve not seen them as bulbous at the base. Does the plant have a heel? If not, that’s definitely ruled out. Is it possibly a hybrid? 
 

-dale 

has none, as you can see from the way its propped itself out from the soil haha. strong roots, for a thusfar weak plant, and no not Ambos as ive grown those

[sydneypalms]

2 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

@sydneypalms what was the origin of seed? I’m just curious how you’ve ruled out some specific species. 
 

Homestly, if you just posted the photos with no other info, I’d have said Chrysalidocarpus decaryi but not with a great level of confidence. Is there are reason why it can’t be other than this palm has been struggling more than others you’ve grown?

hahaha.  coz i have those seedlings and plants too. and they are very difrnt.  so 3 possibilities... 1 i got off a friend who got bought it off some palm person.  2 from a tropical club. 3, a seedling i grew from a purchased batch most likely Tobys stock germany. 

i had 2 difrnt plants in this spot that i only had 1 of, 1 died recently.  both had labels until some months ago... ??? labels walk away.  it cant be a decaryi as they are strong growers ive never had issues, these 2 were bloody fragile as and slow and i had to keep them in a very protected spot, in warm hot sun, behind the shade of a leafy plant for 2 yrs.  maybe if i find some old palm list i can see whay they were.  i went through the dypsis species list to see what names would ring a bell, and weve been going round in circles, and we deducted from that.   over the decades ive grown hundreds of rare palms, most of which would have been the 1st time in the country and/or in nsw since late 90s ? n statt of 2000s, so thats a bit of background 

[sydneypalms]

2 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

@sydneypalms what was the origin of seed? I’m just curious how you’ve ruled out some specific species. 
 

Homestly, if you just posted the photos with no other info, I’d have said Chrysalidocarpus decaryi but not with a great level of confidence. Is there are reason why it can’t be other than this palm has been struggling more than others you’ve grown?

just adding my older decaryi seedlings, but as you can see much longer stems and sparser leavlets

[Palmiz]

My guess would be lastelliana or heteromorpha. Whatever it is, looks very colorful. Keep us posted as it grows.

[sydneypalms]

6 hours ago, Palmiz said:

My guess would be lastelliana or heteromorpha. Whatever it is, looks very colorful. Keep us posted as it grows.

i dont know anyone thats had hetrmrpha in oz apart from me, long long ago, and they didnt sprout.  i accidentally sold some as "maybe hetrmrpha" but told them that it could be 2 other species that sprouted next to them, so not to take that name to heart - later finding out those turned out to be lovely ambositras. Lastelliana 1000% no, they are too difrnt to this.

[sydneypalms]

after some discussion and investigation, am meaning so much towards BEF BARON, spent all morn looking at my old lists of palm stocktaking and the 2 dypsises rhat i only had 1 of each, were malcomberi n bef baron. so from my end, these are the only 2 possibilities, from the suppliers end (who knows what theyve done). i normally grow my own seed but on occasion i swap a plant or 2

[Navarro]

 

9 hours ago, sydneypalms said:

Solo estoy agregando mis plántulas de decaryi más viejas, pero como puedes ver, tallos mucho más largos y hojas más dispersas.

Se ven tan diferentes por qué están creciendo a la sombra , yo voto por decaryi en ambas plantas 

[tim_brissy_13]

11 hours ago, sydneypalms said:

just adding my older decaryi seedlings, but as you can see much longer stems and sparser leavlets

Interesting. Your mystery palm still looks a lot like decaryi to me, so I’d think something in that complex. C rufescens maybe (used to be incorrectly called D heteromorpha)? I’ve never seen a C acuminum at that size but it could be another possibility. Don’t suppose you would’ve lost a label on something like C pumilus? Again never seen one at that size but it would be exceedingly rare to the point where it likely wouldn’t get mixed up by a collector. 

[Harry’s Palms]

Whatever it is , lovely coloring on that. If that is 2 years old , should be a moderate grower . Not as painfully slow as others. I only recently got into Dypsis or Chrysalidiocarpus as it may be. So many , most with distinct coloring characteristics . I added three species a year ago and I am having fun watching them grow . I still love my Lutescens that I have had for over 20 years , as well as the two large Decaryi. Yes , please keep posting , if you will , as it grows. Hopefully someone can give us a clue as to what it is. Harry

[JD in the OC]

The speckling in the petioles points to Chrysalidocarpus decaryi