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Salton Sea Myth (?)

Gonzer

By Gonzer
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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Sooooo,there's more of these around than anyone expected. Interesting.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Pretty wicked record lows for several months. That might have benefitted from a few lucky warm years.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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I worked a couple of years near the Salton Sea back in 1990 and 1991. I have not seen the Coconuts but I guess the reason they survive is how fast the temperatures heat up in the winter. It is always sunny in the desert and even when the temperatures were down in the 20's at night, by 7AM they were already up to 70F, quickly warming the soil.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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the article says they saw what "appeared" to be cocos.

doesn't sound like a very definitive ID to me... ???

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

happ Grand Master

happ

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I must eat my words that the Salton Sea area is inhospitable to the climate-sensitive coconut.  Given the address I hope someone checks it out soon.  Is Newport Beach north of the Salton Sea?

Los Angeles/Pasadena

34° 10' N   118° 18' W

Elevation: 910'/278m

January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F

July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F

Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm

USDA 11/Sunset 23

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW

avb Community Regular

avb

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Newport is further north, but just barely.

Alan Brickey

kylecawazafla Veteran

kylecawazafla

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In the more recent photos I saw, the palms looked smaller than in those photos! I think they all died though since the owner moved out and they stopped getting watered. I don't see why people say coconuts can't take dry scorching climates. There are great looking ones in Saudi Arabia, Puerto Penasco, and I'm sure many other places that never get high humidity and have many scorching days.

I'm always up for learning new things!

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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(kylecawazafla @ Dec. 20 2007,01:36)

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In the more recent photos I saw, the palms looked smaller than in those photos! I think they all died though since the owner moved out and they stopped getting watered. I don't see why people say coconuts can't take dry scorching climates. There are great looking ones in Saudi Arabia, Puerto Penasco, and I'm sure many other places that never get high humidity and have many scorching days.

Agree with the dry hot climate comment. Up in Exmouth which is about 22S on the west coast of Oz, the temps go sky high for long periods. They average around 37C all summer and it's dry. They have no reliable rainfall, about 100mm I beleive a year, and the coconuts up there look fantastic. Obviously they need irrigation, but humidity they rarely ever get. It's one of those places that never rains for ages then it may get 3yrs rainfall in 24hrs when a cyclone whips past. The town was totally wiped out by a 290km/hr cyclone in 99 but the coconuts survived. They were on a 30 degree lean for many years until the council decided to chop them down. Worse than the cyclone that council is.

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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I called Salton City in search of a Charles Hardesty and was told there was no listing.Someone should check it out!

What you look for is what is looking

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(bubba @ Dec. 20 2007,09:01)

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I called Salton City in search of a Charles Hardesty and was told there was no listing.Someone should check it out!

Do a smart links search on Lexis . . . . .

dave

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bubba Grand Master

bubba

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Does any member live close enogh to Salton City to check this out.It is the chance to solve a mystery wrapped in an enigma!

What you look for is what is looking

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Pogobob said the one growing in San Clemente has been there for like 15 years.  It never gets watered.  I think that's the key to survival.  But then they're only 4 feet tall after 15 years.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

kylecawazafla Veteran

kylecawazafla

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(bubba @ Dec. 20 2007,10:50)

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Does any member live close enogh to Salton City to check this out.It is the chance to solve a mystery wrapped in an enigma!

Someone posted the photos earlier, and some of them were dead and the others were about to die because the owner moved out and they stopped getting watered.

I'm always up for learning new things!

AS in SA Collaborator

AS in SA

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Anyone know the authors???  I found a few articles regarding/mentioning them in the IPS journals, so you'd think they'd be a reliable source....

AS in SA,

Santa Ana - CA.

Cristóbal Proficient

Cristóbal

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in march i take 1 of the 2 cocos for the cool climate - see california cocos 1-2-3 message - and do experiment in the desert in mexicali valley. this is not to far from salton sea california. 100 kilometers south ? i put a foto, where i put the "X" in red is where i plant. there i have friend who have a farm of 200 hectareas of dates, i plant it in this farm. for me it is to be interesting how this cocos is to grow in the desert. i think to put protection of black plastic over the palm for the first years, the sun is very bad in the summer.  the plastic help in the summer so theres not to much sun, and in winter nights for it can be very cold - freeze for short time - in some nights in the winter.

i dont worry about much cold rain. only 7 centimters / 3 inchs - every year in this area. i take the fotos when we plant the coco, and put here in march.

i plant the coco here by red "X":

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in puerto peñasco sonora on sea of cortez theres some cocos with fruit. this is not far. 160 kilometers / 100 miles.

fotos and informations:

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TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

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JEFF IN MODESTO Mentor

JEFF IN MODESTO

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(osideterry @ Dec. 19 2007,19:38)

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Pretty wicked record lows for several months. That might have benefitted from a few lucky warm years.

These temps are not accurate for the Salton sea area.

If they were...that would mean Fresno and Bakersfield would be warmer in the summer.

Jeff

Modesto, CA USDA 9b

July/August average 95f/63f

Dec/Jan average 55f/39f

Average lowest winter temp 27f

Record low temp 18f

Record high temp 113f

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Keep in mind the Salton Sea is 200ft below sea level. If it weren't for Death Valley it would be the lowest spot in the US.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

JEFF IN MODESTO Mentor

JEFF IN MODESTO

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(osideterry @ Dec. 23 2007,20:38)

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Keep in mind the Salton Sea is 200ft below sea level. If it weren't for Death Valley it would be the lowest spot in the US.

I believe Salton Sea's average temps are higher than posted above.

We should remember that Sun World has some commercial Mango groves in that area...as well as near Indio.

Jeff

Modesto, CA USDA 9b

July/August average 95f/63f

Dec/Jan average 55f/39f

Average lowest winter temp 27f

Record low temp 18f

Record high temp 113f

Cristóbal Proficient

Cristóbal

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i find this information for el centro california. this is not far from salton sea 50 kilometers / 30 miles south.

only 7 centimeters / 2.5 inchs rain in the year for average. the most low temperatures in december, january dont worry me much for where i plant the coco in the valley of mexicali. temperatures below 0 C / 32 F are for very short time - only for few hours. when the sun rise in the morning it becomes warm fast. my friend the owner of the date farm has no problem with the short freezes. he also has many mango trees.

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TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

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garrin Collaborator

garrin

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About four years ago I went to search out the Salton Sea coconuts.  I found them, and they had a good size, almost starting to trunk, but the house looked deserted and the palms had succumbed to lack of irrigation and were totally brown and dead as far as I could tell.

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garrin in hawaii

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