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The ultra- rare White Stem palm

neoflora

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White Stem ?  I don't see no White Stem.  

Just teasing.  To young I guess  Looks healthy.    :D

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BS Man about Palms

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I know what that is. Thanks for posting that, Ron. Its lookin' real good.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Ron,

     Can you tell us all more about this palm? Thanks,

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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deezpalms

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(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 07 2008,10:20)

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Ron,

     Can you tell us all more about this palm? Thanks,

Jeff

Here's a link to the DavesGarden website. I believe that Geoff Stein took the pictures at Mardy Darians garden.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/68145/

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

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(deezpalms @ Jan. 07 2008,10:37)

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(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 07 2008,10:20)

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Ron,

     Can you tell us all more about this palm? Thanks,

Jeff

Here's a link to the DavesGarden website. I believe that Geoff Stein took the pictures at Mardy Darians garden.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/68145/

I think that is Jeff Brusseau's plant. Mardy also has one in the ground outside, but the one in his pool house is beautiful. To me this is one of the nicest looking Dypsis as a seedling and from what Mardy says as an adult too. From my understanding and attempts, this is an impossible Dypsis to acquire now. So good luck getting this one Jeff. :)

When you come out, you can see it when we tour Jeff's Garden.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Gtlevine

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(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 07 2008,13:20)

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Ron,

     Can you tell us all more about this palm? Thanks,

Jeff

Jeff, I have spoke with Mardy extensively about this palm. The forest where this palm was collected is completely gone so the palm is most likely extinct in the wild. Other than Doc, my friend Jeff Breasseau and Ron are the only people that have this palm. It seems everyone else who aquired one from Mardy has killed it. As a mature palm it is said by Doc Darian that the palm has the whitest crownshaft of any palm he has seen in Madagascar. The trunk gets to about six inches in diameter. This palm will most likely go extinct unless the specimen in Docs pool room sets seed someday. At this point the palm is doing well and the leaves are already about 10 feet long.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Jeff Searle

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Thanks! Maybe some day, another population can be found in another forest somewhere. Keep our fingers crossed.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 07 2008,16:18)

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Thanks! Maybe some day, another population can be found in another forest somewhere. Keep our fingers crossed.

Jeff

Let's hope so, otherwise this palm might be doomed since only a handful exist now.

Cincinnati, Ohio USA & Mindo, Ecuador

 

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(Gtlevine @ Jan. 07 2008,12:47)

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(Jeff Searle @ Jan. 07 2008,13:20)

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Ron,

     Can you tell us all more about this palm? Thanks,

Jeff

Jeff, I have spoke with Mardy extensively about this palm. The forest where this palm was collected is completely gone so the palm is most likely extinct in the wild. Other than Doc, my friend Jeff Breasseau and Ron are the only people that have this palm. It seems everyone else who aquired one from Mardy has killed it. As a mature palm it is said by Doc Darian that the palm has the whitest crownshaft of any palm he has seen in Madagascar. The trunk gets to about six inches in diameter. This palm will most likely go extinct unless the specimen in Docs pool room sets seed someday. At this point the palm is doing well and the leaves are already about 10 feet long.

Gary

Where was the original forest area located in Madagascar?

Kim Cyr

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If these palms ever set seed, you guys should make sure you give some of the seeds back to Madagascar to re-populate them.

I'm sure they would be worth a lot of money, but the right thing to do is return some back to the wild in a protected area.   Send some to palm conservation gardens as well.   Enjoy the rest of the seeds amongst yourself and friends...and Ebay!  (I want one as well) :P

Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the photo.  Dave's garden link has some great photos as well.

Central Florida Gardening Forum 2ndlight.Com

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I know where the locality was. I have a good idea where I would look. Anyone want to sponser me to return? I will go have look!

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(madagascarbob @ Jan. 07 2008,15:49)

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Pauleen had one !

I believe Dean said he killed a few too, possibly Louis Hooper had some now gone too.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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(Central Floridave @ Jan. 07 2008,20:28)

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If these palms ever set seed, you guys should make sure you give some of the seeds back to Madagascar to re-populate them.

I'm sure they would be worth a lot of money, but the right thing to do is return some back to the wild in a protected area.   Send some to palm conservation gardens as well.   Enjoy the rest of the seeds amongst yourself and friends...and Ebay!  (I want one as well) :P

Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the photo.  Dave's garden link has some great photos as well.

I agree!!  :o

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metalfan Grand Master

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This may be a complete long shot, but....

I have this little palm which is a dypsis but don't know which one. Its VERY YOUNG. It does have a WHITE STEM on new fronds (you can see it in this photo I took today)

Is this the same palm as the older one in the first pic, and if so what is it?

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"You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes"---SliPknot

 

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Is this the same palm that was going around as Dypsis Tsaratanensis years back.  If so there are still some floating around.  Here'a a link to one of Deans palms that looks like the white stem being talked about.  It is the last palm in post number 86.  Any thoughts?

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin....3;st=80

Encinitas on a hill 1.5 miles from the ocean.

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LJG Grand Master

LJG

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I think some people are confusing this White Stem with the ones Dean and Bo have planted.

Also, this one was named for the white trunk (stem). Not white petioles. This is how I understood it. Ron, which is it? :)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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BS Man about Palms

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OK- Since I'm a nut for this stuff, I'll try to help out here......

This is a D. tsaratenensis at Buds place.  When you see one in person, its easy to tell the difference.   I have a 1 gal and a bigger one at Garys...  VERY thin leaflets.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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BS Man about Palms

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These are some pics I took at Cuesta Linda  several months back (Jeff B's). His White Stem took a good hit from the January cold, but it looked to be coming back.

You'll notice the "leaf stacking" as it grows in the sunlight. If you look hard you can see that characteristic on all of the "white stems".

I was supposed to start a "Cuesta Linda trip" thread....never got around to it.  :(

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cuestalinda001.jpg

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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BS Man about Palms

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Gina, your palm is one of many Dypsis that just fit into a "big dypsis" catagorey of which little is known or agreed upon as to a name. Maybe D robusta? from Floribunda?  Suffice it to say, the "tiniest" of the "big dypsis" have a trunk of 6" diameter, several are a foot or more.

I just reread this and "just" is not the right word, I LOVE the big Dypsis, and yours is therefore VERY COOL.  :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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metalfan

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BS, my almost half century mark birthday is this weekend, so I can assure you, I will not live to see that palm get a trunk of 6" or more diameter, at least, not at the rate its growing. I have had this palm for almost 5 years. It is probably the slowest growing palm I have ever seen. Slower than a Joey. Slower than Licuala mapu.

"You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes"---SliPknot

 

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BS, my almost half century mark birthday is this weekend, so I can assure you, I will not live to see that palm get a trunk of 6" or more diameter, at least, not at the rate its growing. I have had this palm for almost 5 years. It is probably the slowest growing palm I have ever seen. Slower than a Joey. Slower than Licuala mapu.

The big 50, huh? Yep, I know the feeling. And yes, some of these large Dypsis just sit and sit.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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BS Man about Palms

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BS, my almost half century mark birthday is this weekend, so I can assure you, I will not live to see that palm get a trunk of 6" or more diameter, at least, not at the rate its growing. I have had this palm for almost 5 years. It is probably the slowest growing palm I have ever seen. Slower than a Joey. Slower than Licuala mapu.

Woohoo!, its a "party, party weekend".....  Hows that song go?   ???

I think you'll be part of a new catagorey on certain websites now..... :P

I hope to see some of mine get big while I can still walk to them!  :)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Jan. 07 2008,21:22)

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These are some pics I took at Cuesta Linda  several months back (Jeff B's). His White Stem took a good hit from the January cold, but it looked to be coming back.

You'll notice the "leaf stacking" as it grows in the sunlight. If you look hard you can see that characteristic on all of the "white stems".

I was supposed to start a "Cuesta Linda trip" thread....never got around to it.  :(

cuestalinda002.jpg

cuestalinda001.jpg

Yeah, where is that thread?

San Marcos CA

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bgl

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In the name of clarification, this (=Dypsis White Stem) is most definitely not the one that I've been referring to as the "White Dypsis" (and I think Floribunda is now selling as Dypsis sp. white). Here's one of my "White Dypsis", and these palms were indeed sold under the (incorrect) Dypsis tsaratanensis name about ten years ago.

And Bill - I'd be VERY surprised if the palm in Post #20 is a D. tsaratanensis! Personally, I don't believe this palm is in cultivation (prove me wrong, someone!! :P ). POM describes it as a "rare, clustering palm".

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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I believe Dean said he killed a few too, possibly Louis Hooper had some now gone too.

Yes Bill, I killed two nice five gal. plants over 10 years ago. Now that it has become such a rare cool looking palm, it ranks as my saddest failure.

It is a very distinctive looking palm as a 5 gal. and larger. The leaflets are very wide and overlap like no other I have seen. The other palm of mine referred to above with the plumose wide leaflets is the D. sp. 'madagascar foxtail,' which has a red emergent leaf. The 'white stem' does not.

Here is a link to a tour of Jeff Brusseau's garden, with another pic of the D. 'white stem' among others.

http://palmpedia.net/wiki....IFORNIA

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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Is this palm Dypsis "White Stem"? It was a small 1 gal. palm donated back in Nov. 1997 as Dypsis tsaratananensis. It was planted in spring 1998 and has been a slow grower. It is in the shade of a thick Ficus auriculata. It has survived down to 27F with only minor damage.

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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BS Man about Palms

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It looks more like Bo's "White Dypsis".

Bo, There are several around here of the "thin leaf" tsaratanensis like Buds.  I believe Dean has one in Hawaii also.

Dean-  were those two planted or still in pots?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Eric,

I agree with Bill that yours look like the "White Dypsis". Plus, timing (Nov 1997) with the incorrect D. tsaratananensis name makes perfect sense (for it to be a "White Dypsis").

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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(Dypsisdean @ Jan. 08 2008,02:54)

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Jan. 07 2008,15:34)

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I believe Dean said he killed a few too, possibly Louis Hooper had some now gone too.

Yes Bill, I killed two nice five gal. plants over 10 years ago. Now that it has become such a rare cool looking palm, it ranks as my saddest failure.

It is a very distinctive looking palm as a 5 gal. and larger. The leaflets are very wide and overlap like no other I have seen. The other palm of mine referred to above with the plumose wide leaflets is the D. sp. 'madagascar foxtail,' which has a red emergent leaf. The 'white stem' does not.

Here is a link to a tour of Jeff Brusseau's garden, with another pic of the D. 'white stem' among others.

http://palmpedia.net/wiki....IFORNIA

Good thing theres people like us in the world making rare palms even  more rare . :P

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Eric in Orlando

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Thanks Bo. Thats alright, if it gets to look like your then it will be a great specimen.

Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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Dypsisdean

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Dean-  were those two planted or still in pots?

One was in the ground, but apparently in too much shade.

The other was a "backup" in the cold frame. It did one of those heeled things going too deep underground and rotting.

That was a while ago when the new Dypsis just started coming in. We didn't have that much experience then. I would have done a lot of things differently if I knew what I know now.

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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LJG Grand Master

LJG

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This is too bad Dean. This is one plant that really needs to be in HI in your garden, or Bo or Jeffs. I doubt this plant will ever live long enough in SoCal to set seed.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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BS Man about Palms

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(LJG @ Jan. 08 2008,16:59)

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This is too bad Dean. This is one plant that really needs to be in HI in your garden, or Bo or Jeffs. I doubt this plant will ever live long enough in SoCal to set seed.

Close Len, you almost got it.  

I think its:  "I don't think WE will live long enough to see this palm set seed in Southern California".....   ???

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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neoflora

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(LJG @ Jan. 08 2008,19:59)

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This is too bad Dean. This is one plant that really needs to be in HI in your garden, or Bo or Jeffs. I doubt this

plant will ever live long enough in SoCal to set seed.

No this one palm that needs to be Madagascar!

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bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Patience, patience.... :D

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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bgl

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Here's a current photo of the "White Dypsis"

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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